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maybe we should start banning everything...

Posted by: RazorHawk on Jul 22, 16:40 in response to elchan's post Ok, let's start a debate on banning assault rifles here....

Simply put, the bad man wanted to do bad things and there was no way to forsee what the bad man would do and no amount of banning things will detour future bad men from doing future bad things.

Where there is a will there is a way, and the bad man had a will to hurt people and he found a way. He used a machine gun. If we had banned machine guns then the bad man would have found another [original] way to hurt people that we had not previous thought of [like flying a plane into a skyscraper].

Should we ban food at movie theaters because someday a bad person might try to poison people by putting rat poison into the cheese sauce and slurpees? Do we get a head start and just ban rat poison now?

Should we ban mace, pepper spray and tear gas so bad women in the future cannot abuse them to get a head start on great Christmas deals at Walmart? (link) Should we ban Black Friday shopping on the day after Thanksgiving because it promotes violence? Should we just ban Christmas so the two old ladys stop physically assaulting each other over the last sweater every year?

You can make all the laws that you want. The bad people do not follow laws. If you ban guns [where there is a will there is a way], the bad people will still get guns. If you ban drug use, the bad people will still get drugs. If you ban crossing the American border without permission, the bad people will still get across the border (or facilitate other people doing so).

If you make a law that it is illegal to masterbate while watching a rated XXX porno movie in Los Angeles... Fred Willard and Pee Wee Herman will still do so. If you make a law saying you cannot have sex with a prostitute in the back seat of a car on the side of a major road... Eddie Murphy and Hugh Grant will still do so.

If you arrest Lindsey Lohan for driving under the influence 7 different times, and tell her to stop drinking, to stop doing drugs, and even send her to rehab (where she assulted a staff member), she will still keep drinking and doing drugs (and keep getting arrested).

Arent there laws against teachers having sex with their underage students? Adam Sandler just made a movie about that.

There are just bad and/or broken people who choose to do bad things (for no reason) like throw tacks on the course for the Tour de France (link). Should we ban tacks? Because people throwing tacks on bicycle courses/routes happen more often than you are aware of:

Virginia Beach (link) Leonardtown (link) Seattle (link) Denver (link) Central Park (link)

Should we or shouldn't we ban assault rifles... many people say they have no use. There are always two sides of the story and most people only see their side.

I have a concealed weapons permit from both Colorado and Utah which allows me to legally carry a concealed firearm in around 35 states. I take turns with other family members visiting and taking care of my Grandfather who lives in the countryside. When Grandpa calls the police, it takes a minimum of 15mins for them to reach his house. If we are in some kind of danger, we have a 15 minute deductable where we have to take care of ourselves before the police arrive. I can also mention the wild turkey that tried to attack me while I was walking down Grandpa's 1/2 driveway to get the mail, or the other times when I was confronted by snakes, peacocks, coyotes, mountain lions, skunks, and even a bear!

My gun is a tool that I use to keep myself safe (as needed) and I usually have it within 20ft of myself 75% of the time that I am in the countryside (and the surronding areas).

Back to assault rifles, people see no use for them now, but just for the sake of seeing the other side, wouldnt they be beneficial in a Red Dawn situation? or a Falling Skies situation?

PS I do not own any assault rifles and I do not have an opinion either way about whether they should be legal or not. I wrote this mainly to point out that bad people do not follow laws and that they would still get the banned weapons or find an alternative weapon to do the same damage.

Ok, let's start a debate on banning assault rifles here. I think access should be limited. elchan Jul 22, 15:05

Wouldn't change anything. medv4380 Jul 22, 15:31

In smaller countries, it might...America's issue with enforcement is the amount of people, the amount of land and the amount of freedoms. Catzan Jul 22, 15:42

Didn't stop Anders from getting Fragile Rounds for his killing spree, or from using a pretty big bomb. {nm} medv4380 Jul 22, 16:01

Possibly a good point...but how many mass murders has Norway had since they put laws into effect? One? Two? Per capita comparison? Catzan Jul 22, 16:57

My opinions on Lobo's link to the audio, I promised I would keep it light on this forum board. {nm} damenchipguy Jul 22, 17:08

Increase the area that you're looking at and they become the same. North America vs Europe has nearly the same Murder Rate. {nm} medv4380 Jul 22, 17:30

So per capita we have the same murder rates...what about all the countries that have gun bans lumped together...how do they fare as a whole? Catzan Jul 22, 17:42

What about States like Idaho with a relatively low murder rate? If you exclude and pick a small enough sample you can make them say exactly medv4380 Jul 22, 18:49

Heh...I grew up in New Orleans. And that cuts both ways...numbers being able to say anything. Catzan Jul 22, 20:22

But, the problem with the illegal arms argument is that none of these mass shootings have been done using illegal firearms. elchan Jul 22, 16:04

Most Gang shootings use illegal weapons. Namely unregistered weapons or weapons with their ID filled off. medv4380 Jul 22, 16:16