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And both Batman movies with the Joker are the highest (adjusted) grossing films in the franchise.

Posted by: Carcharodon on May 20, 06:37 in response to charlie's post the biggest Batman villain in the Nolanverse was The Joker

My guess is the use of familiar and popular villains, be it in Star Trek or Superman, happened for the same essentially commercial reasons.

So hypothetically, what box office effect do you think a dramatic death of, say, Lois Lane would have on Man of Steel? {nm} KalElFan May 19, 23:46

None, Wonder Woman is a much better love interest, can kick a$$ and is way hotter. Did I mention she has a whip? :) {nm} Vashta Nerada May 20, 00:02

One of the reasons I think the death could have a positive effect is just that. They could develop Supes-WW in a JLEAG series. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:02

It could become another thing distinctive and indeed unique about this Cavill incarnation. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:02

nothing.... she ain't no kryptonite... {nm} b4bad May 20, 00:02

Interesting that the first two responses were no effect. I actually think it might have an enormously positive box office effect. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 00:15

A bigger effect would be to stop using Lex Luthor and General Zod. It's like Trek, we have an entire universe to explore and they (spoiler) H-Mogul May 20, 00:29

the biggest Batman villain in the Nolanverse was The Joker charlie May 20, 00:34

Not true. There was plenty of griping, since it had already been done. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! May 20, 06:18

There's always griping, but look at the great box office results. Nolan's TDK also killed off Rachel, who was set up well in BB. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:05

Lois is a lot more iconic and integral to Supes than Rachel (or any Bruce Wayne girlfriend) is to Batman. Plus, they switched Rachels. :) {nm} Paul2k May 20, 07:23

The more iconic, the more publicity, dramatic impact, etc. :-) Also Holmes becoming a reality TV show may have led to recasting, death. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:34

And both Batman movies with the Joker are the highest (adjusted) grossing films in the franchise. Carcharodon May 20, 06:37

Khan in TREK2 was also more a 1:1 remake of 1982. SUPR2 has a chance to be a much better 1978+1980 combo. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:08

SUPR2 would have many differences from 1978+1980 though. Many were mandated by the fear Warners had of losing the Superman rights. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:10

Hence costume differences, and killing off Lois and downplaying Clark would help. Basically, Superman had to be Strongman just in case. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:13

In the end, a 9th Circuit Judge named Otis :-) ruled in favor of Warners a few months back, but Warners didn't know before that. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:16

none, since they already did it in 1978 charlie May 20, 00:35

In the '78 movie Superman goes back in time to save her. Here, my hypothetical was she'd be dead for good in this incarnation. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 06:53

Not likely that DC would allow that. {nm} DTravel May 20, 18:58

Could have a negative effect. Everyone's seen that story already. {nm} medv4380 May 20, 06:36

Actually they've never seen a genuine, permanent death of Lois in any significant incarnation of Superman, and she was there in 1938. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 06:57

Exceptions are like the Lois & Clark TV series having a few episodes where Alt-Lois was presumed dead in the alternate universe. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:00

1) it's comic related so perma death doesn't exist. 2) the audience might see it as the same superman 1 death of louis {nm} medv4380 May 20, 09:54

Again, purely hypothetical, nothing but the above tea leaves on it. Also, Amy Adams wouldn't even confirm she was signed for sequels. {nm} KalElFan May 20, 07:25

Wouldn't effect OW at all. Though how fanboys handle the twist would be interesting to see. {nm} thatpj May 20, 10:49

I'd be really sad if Erica Durance or Teri Hatcher would pass away. {nm} elchan May 20, 11:03





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