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Check this user review, from user, "bron-tay", on IMDB, if you really want to know what the movie is about. (************SPOILERS**********)

Posted by: elchan (a.k.a elchan2012) on Aug 28, 11:06 in response to malificent's post Interesting Article on Obama 2016 in Investors Business...

"Contrary to my expectations, this was not a scare-fest along the lines of "The Day After Tomorrow." Instead it's kind of an egghead treatment that starts by asking, Why did Obama disappoint so many of his supporters? He was voted in by Democrats, independents, and a few disillusioned Republicans. Many of them are feeling betrayed.

I'm gay, he betrayed me. I'm Green, he betrayed me. I'm a DREAMer, he betrayed me. I want card check, he betrayed me. I want to close Gitmo, he betrayed me. I want the rich to pay higher taxes, he betrayed me. I want single-payer healthcare, he betrayed me. I wanted transparency, he betrayed me.

D'Souza replies: The reason is, these piddly Democrat-Republican squabbles are not Obama's concern.

According to D'Souza, Obama's aim is way beyond this two-party conflict that the rest of us Americans are locked in. Thanks largely to Obama's often squalid overseas upbringing and the education his parents and grandparents designed for him, he takes a much broader view of America: as a colonialist thief of other nations' natural wealth. He has essentially projected the sins of Britain onto America. The British Raj, Churchill's suppression of the Mau-Mau Rebellion, are examples of the crimes he lays at America's feet. Rapacious British = White = America. That's why he wants to level America by reducing its military power and individual Americans' standard of living. Of course this is misguided; America is itself a former British colony which expelled its overlords in a bloody revolution.

D'Souza intuits much of this from parallels to his own life; he is Indian, and he was advised by his grandfather not to go to America, where "they're white." He lived in Third World squalor, he escaped courtesy of an educational opportunity in an elite American university, he was born and graduated and married in the same years as Obama. He "gets" the whole anti-colonial mindset.

But for most of his evidence, he simply quotes Obama's own words in "Dreams from My Father" and hunts down the teachers and mentors that Obama himself credits. Frank Marshall Davis, Jeremiah Wright, some Brazilian Communist who was expelled from Brazil and found a welcoming and lucrative home at Harvard. He also learned from Bill Ayers.

D'Souza concludes from Obama's first term that he's just not that into the Democrats. He used them (along with the independents and disgusted Republicans) to get himself into power, but he's got another agenda all his own that is well beyond disagreements over who pays what tax rate and whether teenage rape victims should be forced to become mothers.

Therefore he'll adopt progressive issues where they help him and not an inch further. For instance, when he saw some of his base slipping, he did finally evolve his own, deep, personal, individual view on gays marrying -- but he also flat-out said he's not going to put any energy into it as President.

One may agree with Obama's agenda, one may not. It does overlap the liberal agenda in some areas. Indeed, there are plenty of American liberals who feel America should be taken down a peg for the good of the world. But Obama is not motivated by the same things American liberals are. He's not at heart a Democrat, or a progressive, or a liberal, or a leftist. He's more of a sort of confused anti-colonialist.

D'Souza devotes only a few minutes at the end of the movie to the world's prospects if Obama gets a second term. Just a few. Essentially, "there will be no place to hide" if Islamists expand, if American military power is significantly reduced, if our wealth is flushed. It will be bad for the world and bad for us."

Interesting Article on Obama 2016 in Investors Business Daily (see Link) malificent Aug 28, 10:11

It's nothing more than an Editorial. {nm} Antibody Aug 28, 10:16

It is on page 1 of the actual newspaper of which I have a copy. (more) malificent Aug 28, 10:20

it got mentioned by every single report which discussed this weekend's box office that i read {nm} Moviesnob Aug 28, 10:21

Read the article headling: IBD Editorials » {nm} Antibody Aug 28, 10:22

Do you really think your "logic" and "information" can help you in this battle, my naive friend? {nm} DTXbro Aug 28, 11:12

Investors Business Daily is not an "actual newspaper." {nm} DTXbro Aug 28, 10:55

Here's an objective review of the film by the LAT that asks Where is the line between documentary and propaganda? Antibody Aug 28, 10:31

Objective and LA Times, good one. {nm} hawkfanatic2 Aug 28, 10:42

Talk to Michael Moore about THAT. :-) {nm} Flash Aug 28, 10:47

The article covers that Antibody Aug 28, 10:52

lets just state for the record before this descends into madness that all documentaries have bias. ALL OF THEM. Moviesnob Aug 28, 10:55

Moore has never once claimed to be unbias. Obama's tagline positions itself as unbais, when it isn't. {nm} tawdryhepburn Aug 28, 16:11

The authors insinuation that Moore's "truths emerge through the process" is laughable. Scorpion Aug 28, 11:11

That's not an insinuation. It's a statement. {nm} RogerMore Aug 28, 11:23

OK, it's a statement. {nm} Scorpion Aug 28, 11:26

Thx for posting! {nm} Richard In G Aug 28, 12:01

Interesting article...and would seem a valid criticism of the film. {nm} Catzan Aug 28, 15:57

Check this user review, from user, "bron-tay", on IMDB, if you really want to know what the movie is about. (************SPOILERS**********) elchan Aug 28, 11:06

Novel, premise, but until Obama does anything close to as injurious to our interests as invading Iraq, letting Afghanistan drift or botching DTXbro Aug 28, 12:30

I think the "bailing out of the auto industry" may turn out to be the biggest mistake that the US and Canadian government perpetrated on us. elchan Aug 28, 13:27

Really? The bail-out for GM and Chrysler weren't perfect solutions - but without them, it wouldn't just be those companies that disappeared, Roger More Aug 28, 14:18

Bigger than Iraq? That's daft with risible icing. {nm} DTXbro Aug 28, 15:26

The interesting thing about Obama/D'Souza is that Obama is president and D'Souza is muttering bitterly from the sidelines. DTXbro Aug 28, 11:09





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