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D: Begging the question fallacy / implication of 'reverse racism' (a phrase and concept used only by bigots) {nm}

Posted by: tawdryhepburn on May 29, 21:00 in response to Fitch3k's post Yeah the racist is the person who doesn't care what race...

W: Transformers brain trust led by Michael Bay and Akiva Goldsman have hired seven writers, all white males Antibody May 29, 15:37

see, even white dudes can be oppressed in Hollywood {nm} tristafé May 29, 15:42

+1 {nm} oakley77 May 29, 20:22

Should've hired some Chinese guys. {nm} MattW May 29, 16:07

They should know the target audience best. {nm} tatoufan May 29, 16:09

Not sure if serious... {nm} Antibody May 29, 17:00

So? Who complains when a sports team drafts all black athletes? {nm} Fitch3k May 29, 17:55

So, your point is... You're a racist? {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 19:56

Yeah the racist is the person who doesn't care what race anyone is and is perturbed by race being pointed out. That makes sense. {nm} Fitch3k May 29, 20:13

There is not a single piece of your initial post that wasn't entirely in line with white supremacist rhetoric. {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 20:53

And your retort of "if we'd just stop pointing out obvious racism it would go away" just adds an exclamation point. {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 20:54

A: your implication is that the natural state of a white man is mental while the natural state of a black man is physical ie animalistic. {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 20:57

B: Your choice of comparison point to sports is suspect and cliche in and of itself. {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 20:57

C: Your willful ignorance of the vast, VAST majority of the jobs - especially the plum ones - going to a specific group. {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 20:58

D: Begging the question fallacy / implication of 'reverse racism' (a phrase and concept used only by bigots) tawdryhepburn May 29, 21:00

(Second post): E: If we'd stop talking about racism, it would go away -- repeat of playing the victim, implication of 'reverse racism' {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 21:01

F: reframing the debate to place yourself as the arbiter of justice... (more inside) tawdryhepburn May 29, 21:04

G: Also... 'all black athletes.' That's disproven if you have eyes. This is a room of ALL white men. implies a monolithic view of minorities {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 21:06

So, you were 8 kinds of racist in fewer characters than a tweet. But yeah, you're not a bigot. {nm} tawdryhepburn May 29, 21:06

Get a life! {nm} hawkfanatic2 May 29, 21:55

How about you get the facts? Tawdry's laying them out for you. {nm} CG63 May 29, 22:32

I have an awesome life. Due in large part to the fact that in my teens, I was always treated as a kid going through a hard time. (int) tawdryhepburn May 30, 08:10

I'm black and Cuban, but hope you got off on feeling morally superior for a little while, you really must have needed it. {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 04:05

What makes me uncomfortable is having race brought up like anyone is a seperate entity from person. And that the norm isn't just person. {nm} RebelScum May 30, 06:56

It makes me uncomfortable when I'm told I can't do as well on a test bc my skin and need different standards. {nm} RebelScum May 30, 06:57

It makes me uncomfortable when I'm told I need help getting a job and some industries are so beyond me I need reduced levels of entry {nm} RebelScum May 30, 06:59

It makes me feel uncomfortable when the excuse used is there needs be a larger pool of ideas, like I must have a black brain bc my skin {nm} RebelScum May 30, 07:01

My brain doesn't think any differently. I was raised in the same culture and treated the same except for individuals like you {nm} RebelScum May 30, 07:02

You're not saving me, you're not helping me, you're the ones trying to make me be and feel different. {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:04

I {nm} tawdryhepburn May 30, 07:42

*I'm not trying to 'save' anyone. I'm talking as a white dude, to a white dude. {nm} tawdryhepburn May 30, 07:44

Whatever helps you sleep. But don't you white saviors, sorry allies, have protocols against denying a persons ethnicity? {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 08:07

And since we're sharing credentials: at 17, I was almost murdered by Nazi skinheads on 2 separate occasions because of my Jewish heritage. {nm} tawdryhepburn May 30, 08:25

In my nice, wealthy part of the city. 30ish miles from the 'rough' neighborhood where I went to school. #ForTheRecord {nm} tawdryhepburn May 30, 08:26

That's detestable, and an overwhelming majority of people would say so. People start to divide over whether people like those thugs have Fitch3k May 30, 09:30

Oh no, that's right I'm just an Uncle Tom, bc I don't fit your narrative and your white supremacist, sorry white superior morals, know what is to be black {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 08:09

Even granting that I am wrong about your race/ethnicity, all of my points stand because I was talking about your rhetoric. tawdryhepburn May 30, 08:12

7 writers got a job, good for them, if anyone else wanted to be one of those writers and wasn't, they need to work at being a better writer {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:06

So... you're a racist who has no idea how people actually get jobs writing movies of this size? {nm} tawdryhepburn May 30, 07:44

This I will concede I am not in the industry, but all other experience has shown me the only thing that matters to employers is if you can make $$$ {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 09:26

You'll have a harder time trying to change the world, than improving yourself. Just be better than all your competition {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:10

Promoting any other attitude to minorities is only going to hurt them. And that does more than make me uncomfortable, that's real racism {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:12

That's real hate, that really keeps ppl down. Just another white upper middle class system of controlling blacks {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:14

With their pseudo social science that tells them what's best for the negros. What's best is to stop keeping score. {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:16

If this was confusing, I am Fitch3k and Rebelscum (a new port when I couldn't remember my old). {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:18

FYI: Running multiple active accounts is grounds for deletion/banning. Rarely enforced, but... maybe don't brag about cheating? {nm} tawdryhepburn May 30, 08:33

Please don't misread that as a threat: admins stopped reading our blather some time ago, I bet. And I have no desire to silence anyone. tawdryhepburn May 30, 08:37

Ya know I'm going to keep going bc you are so offensive a racist and so damn self righteous about it {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:50

I volunteer with under privileged youth teaching things they don't have a dad to learn from like, tying a tie, polishing shoes {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:51

We work mostly with teens that are willing, but they get trounced on by their peers, they're sell outs, the world should change for them {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:56

The worst problem minorities face is crippling doubt, and it comes from white progressive liberals telling them the man hates them {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:59

Don't dress proper, don't speak proper, your different and that would be conforming. It operates like a cult, go after low esteem targets {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 08:00

From broken families, and let them think all their problems is the world's fault and the world needs to change not them. {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 08:01

And if you sign up with the progressives, we'll make the world change for you! How about you admit to the kid it does suck his dad isn't {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 08:03

Around to teach him how to tie a tie, it's not ok that dad isn't around, but he can still learn and better his life. {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 08:04

If you're a minority and it upsets you, you need to look at yourself and stop being reactionary {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:08

2 things... take it to the life forum, and use the ADDITIONAL MESSAGE area in the form. There is no need to post every sentence in front. {nm} Rocket123 aka PVL Admin May 30, 11:07

I apologize for the length of this. I was using a clear A/B/C/D format as a rhetorical tool and then... Well... {nm} tawdryhepburn May 30, 11:51

Lol black Cuban hispanic {nm} mike255 May 30, 05:36

....and the real racist finally pipes up! {nm} BSmurf May 30, 06:34

I don't even know what this is meant to imply? {nm} Fitch3k May 30, 07:26

Now, now. RebelScum says that he is Black and Cuban. I'll accept that. (int) tawdryhepburn May 30, 08:20





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