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there's no single fix to a problem like this. Both sides need to change {nm}

Posted by: andy007 on Jan 20, 14:45 in response to FabioParme's post Then you need to fix the system first, and awards will...

P: Tyrese Gibson Calls for Chris Rock to Pull Out as Oscar Host Antibody Jan 20, 12:52

his monologue will do more than anyone staying home {nm} slipping jimmy Jan 20, 12:54

I think if every minority turned out an invitation to present and having no minority on the show would send a strong message. {nm} Antibody Jan 20, 12:57

*down {nm} Antibody Jan 20, 12:57

it would be like Rosa Parks saying "welp, guess i'm just not going to ride your segregated bus anymore" slipping jimmy Jan 20, 13:01

Just repeating the same #OscarSoWhite jokes from last year didn't do anything. {nm} Antibody Jan 20, 13:03

The bus boycott in Montgomery did change history. But it took a year. Boycotting 1 event for 1 day won't do it. {nm} JDolphin Jan 20, 13:14

And there's no way in hell it would crumble the institution of the Academy to be a little short on black nominees in any single year. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jan 20, 13:17

A dignified response to a definite problem. Also, GOEGP is the would-be blockbuster that weekend. {nm} Qix Jan 20, 13:17

In all fairness, apart from Idris Elba in the Actor category, was there any other black actor/actress that deserved a nomination? FabioParme Jan 20, 13:24

any response would be subjective. {nm} CSBD Jan 20, 13:27

I understand, but apart from Elba, I didn't see any strong performance by a black actor/actress to take the spot from the other nominees FabioParme Jan 20, 13:30

But is the low number of potential nominees due to the lack of good actors, or the lack of good roles for them? {nm} RogerMore Jan 20, 13:32

That's another thing and has nothing to with the Oscars. Nominations should be on merit not quota FabioParme Jan 20, 13:36

No one is pushing for a quota, and if nominations are about merit then a system that doesn't provide enough opportunities for actors to be RogerMore Jan 20, 13:41

Then you need to fix the system first, and awards will follow. {nm} FabioParme Jan 20, 13:52

And the first step in fixing the system is through discussion, debate, protest, etc... {nm} RogerMore Jan 20, 13:58

+1. Remember this quote about EXODU from RSCOT? Qix Jan 20, 14:14

IMO it's more than simply Bencio's ethnicity. I too was disappointed he wasn't nominated. I keep thinking goodvibe61 Jan 20, 15:49

They're not fixing it fast enough. They are inviting more minority and female members, but the old guard is still too big. {nm} Antibody Jan 20, 14:08

there's no single fix to a problem like this. Both sides need to change andy007 Jan 20, 14:45

Who isn't pushing for a quota? This is all a very, very slippery slope here. {nm} goodvibe61 Jan 20, 15:42

I agree it's a complex issue, but this argument is referred to as the "slippery slope fallacy" for a reason. {nm} RogerMore Jan 20, 16:38

I don't think this is just about nominations per se. I think it's about overhauling the whole industry's system to reflect what the world CSBD Jan 20, 14:34

The problem is the Academy membership is 90% white and 80% male. {nm} Antibody Jan 20, 14:03

Quincy Jones QUOTE: 'It's frightening to see 90 percent white and 80 percent white male. {nm} Captain Obvious Jan 20, 14:18

80 percent White Male, not 80 percent Male. {nm} Captain Obvious Jan 20, 14:19

Michael B. Jordan should be in the Best Actor category ahead of Matt Damon, maybe also ahead of Bryan Cranston {nm} CG63 Jan 21, 09:21

And whenever the race subject surfaces, I always remember a Morgan Freeman interview he did on 60 Minutes a decade ago FabioParme Jan 20, 13:34

Think Hollywood overall & minorities in general. Arguably, The Academy judges outcomes based on flawed institutional processes. {nm} Qix Jan 20, 13:33

Michael B. Jordan in Creed, Will Smith in Concussion, Samuel Jackson in Hateful Eight, just to name the threemost prominent {nm} slipping jimmy Jan 20, 13:38

listening to will use that incredibly awful & poorly executed accent made concussion a very hard watch {nm} adrenalin112 Jan 20, 15:03

couldn't be worse than Matt Damon {nm} slipping jimmy Jan 20, 15:03

Compton maybe... But for the rest you're right. billy Jan 20, 13:42

Exactly. Good, but not good enough. I think Jada is making all this fuzz because Will wasn't nominated for Concussion. {nm} FabioParme Jan 20, 13:50

But hey, he looks good in the Suicide Squad trailer :)) {nm} billy Jan 20, 13:53

But won't get a nomination (again) next year for that :) FabioParme Jan 20, 13:55

If you dont think there are worthy performance by people of color, you dont watch enough good movies {nm} Moviesnob Jan 20, 14:09

Saying, "I only say one good black performance last year" is the very definition of the problem {nm} Moviesnob Jan 20, 14:10

+1 {nm} jjmarino Jan 20, 14:26

And, please, where did you got that quote from? I've never said that. FabioParme Jan 20, 14:52

Ok. Then who would replace in the Actor and Actress categories? FabioParme Jan 20, 14:49

its already been stated here that opinions are subjective. but to think theres only one performance thats worthy of recognition is a sign Moviesnob Jan 20, 15:07

I thought Jason Mitchell was pretty fantastic in SOCMP, but I would be shocked if even 50% of the academy voters saw it {nm} lapuckfan Jan 20, 14:40

I didn't find any of the performances in that film to be Oscar Worthy. The film itself is very entertaining and strong. The perfs were fine. goodvibe61 Jan 20, 15:44

It not just about black actors. Del Toro was overlooked too. {nm} leo21 Jan 20, 15:13

Blacks make up approximately 12.5% of the US population. That equals 2.5 nominees out of 20 acting nominations. If there were 3 fourstars Jan 20, 13:37

This is going to be great! Rock will make a lot of "black folk" jokes an no one is allowed to laugh about them {nm} billy Jan 20, 13:51

Boycott would not solve the problem. The rest of the world think race wouldn't work America {nm} mike255 Jan 20, 13:53

It's easy to make a huge fuzz about it, when you sit in your million dollar home! {nm} billy Jan 20, 13:54

I don't heard Hispanic and Asia doesn't complain race issue. It's only black folks try make race issue? mike255 Jan 20, 14:02

Look, Mike. You're the one who's always saying "No one will see these actors if it snows." {nm} jjmarino Jan 20, 14:27

Was one of those races previously enslaved in this country? {nm} DTshakes Jan 20, 16:56

1) your translator is broken again. 2) best director last year is Mexican...and he's nominated again {nm} lapuckfan Jan 20, 21:18

I don't see how Chris Rock and others boycotting is going to do anything..... Quickslver99 Jan 20, 14:07

Where is gays and transgender community? They didn't get nomination? Should they boycott? mike255 Jan 20, 14:13

How do you know that no gay people were nominated? {nm} lapuckfan Jan 20, 21:45





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