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But that's because the policy settings were wrong, not because the principle was. Opt-in? Boo! Really, contributions should be opt-out or

Posted by: RogerMore on Apr 16, 17:33 in response to professor smartbrain's post they did that by moving workers off of defined-benefit...

compulsory with an element of coice, like what % above the minimum, and where it can be invested. And you've got a whole generation of people who believed they didn't really need to save.  It's worked well in other countries.

But also, there are no magic bullets.  A retirement system needs more than to be a good plan - it needs to be part of an economic system that supports it.  In America, minimum wages are low compared to the median wage, so there's no real opportunity for low-income earners to save. Helathcare costs are high, so retirement savings have to account for those too, which means they need to be bigger than they would otherwise be. There needs to be a culture of saving and investing, and if there isn't it needs to be created somehow. Also, financial tools that allow more investment in long-term projects like infrastructure.  Some kind of a mechanism that takes some of the risk away from the retiree would be good as well. Personal finance lessons in high school. And so on...

Chris christie his social security plan effect 80k a year plan eliminated? mike255 Apr 16, 11:11

SS for retirement needs to be eliminated entirely islander Apr 16, 11:46

*vehement disagreement* {nm} DTravel Apr 16, 12:45

"Vehement"? Uh oh! {nm} islander Apr 16, 13:24

Yup. And I'm going to leave it at that. {nm} DTravel Apr 16, 14:05

WOW YOUR part of the PROBLEM saying some Privileged words like that - so you want people to slave till they die? aleksthegreat Apr 16, 12:45

lol I'm working class. I just wonder if there's a better way {nm} islander Apr 16, 13:27

raising the retirement age would be a good place to start {nm} Moviesnob Apr 16, 13:28

+1 It's the entire root of the problem at this point. Too many people living too long with not enough young people to contribute {nm} BSmurf Apr 16, 15:45

only because of the Baby Boomer wave. when Gen X retires and Gen Y is still in the workforce, the numbers will be flipped {nm} professor smartbrain Apr 16, 17:31

But not if the whole system is bankrupt due to the "low" benefits age vs increasingly extended lifetimes. BSmurf Apr 16, 22:51

Social Security isn't nearing "bankruptcy" any time soon professor smartbrain Apr 16, 23:24

I think you've got to take responsibility for retirement planning away from employers and put it in the hands of employees. {nm} RogerMore Apr 16, 14:31

they did that by moving workers off of defined-benefit pension plans into 401(k) and IRAs. it's been a uniform disaster professor smartbrain Apr 16, 16:41

But that's because the policy settings were wrong, not because the principle was. Opt-in? Boo! Really, contributions should be opt-out or RogerMore Apr 16, 17:33

raise the cap on the amount of earnings that are taxed for SS purposes. Right now, only the first $118,500 are taxed for future benefits. professor smartbrain Apr 16, 15:48

Alex I agree completely with your 1st paragraph. You got a little heavy handed in the 2nd para, but I mostly agree with that too {nm} JDolphin Apr 16, 13:43

Actually, his first para is factually wrong. 24% of taxes go to funding social security with a further 8% to federal retirees and veterans RogerMore Apr 16, 14:15

Oh, if you're interested, there's another page on where state funding goes - though there's obviously a lot of variation from state to state RogerMore Apr 16, 14:21

Interesting site. I was assuming if they get rid of SS then they'll get rid of Medicare and the other Social Services {nm} JDolphin Apr 16, 14:38

I think islander's point was that if you got rid of SS, people would respond by taking more responsibility for their retirement RogerMore Apr 16, 15:31

I don't know that it is "in the public interest that society has funded retirement". Its in the PI, that the retired population is able to islander Apr 16, 17:01

so they don't have to eat cat food, like the Great Depression {nm} professor smartbrain Apr 16, 17:32

By "funded retirement" I don't mean redistribution. I mean that there's a system in place that ensures people's retirement is funded. RogerMore Apr 16, 17:38

but it's good to see someone agree that the 40 year redistribution of wealth from the bottom 90% to the top 10% needs to be reversed {nm} professor smartbrain Apr 16, 18:26

effin moochers {nm} professor smartbrain Apr 16, 15:46

Blame the young people are busy youtubers making money. They do not need a real job. mike255 Apr 17, 16:06





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