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Okay maybe we can all concede there's no magic formula then, so we shouldn't be looking for very simple relationships between RT and, say...

Posted by: KalElFan (a.k.a del_TOM_KalElFan) on Apr 03, 19:35 in response to RogerMore's post It's pretty clear from my post that I don't believe...

Saturday bumps.  They just don't exist especially when all the RT scores are in the generally Fresh ballpark.  It's understandable why someone might look at the THOR 2 highest bump, and think CapAm2 will manage the same or better.  But something counterintuitive COULD happen here.

I noted your point about the Dark Knight's family appeal or relative lack thereof.  Colorado may have also been a factor at the time.  I'm wondering if the "Winter Soldier" and "Soldier" in particular might be a bit of a turn-off.  Young girls (with some exceptions as there always are) may hate it for the most part, whereas maybe Thor they'd be more neutral.  Likewise the first Cap may even have had greater appeal with the romance element and hunk factor in the ads/trailers.  Soldiers and war and such with apparently not much else, not so much and parents likewise not seeing it the same way this time.

With the way things have gone since 9/11, maybe even boys and certainly many parents of boys may not want little Johnny getting into soldiers and wars and such, especially not present day.  Let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such, not cowboys or soldiers. Captain America in a period piece about WWII as it was last time, maybe there was less negative connotation.

One wouldn't expect Lego numbers for matinees, but the ones I checked at that UltraAVX really are on the low side.  I wonder if notfabio might have any opinion on that for his usual multiplex numbers when we get them later tonight.

LAT: CAPA2 likely to generate $90 million or more, according to people who have seen pre-release audience surveys. Antibody Apr 03, 12:25

V: Captain America: The Winter Soldier targeting a projected $90 million bow or higher. Antibody Apr 03, 12:27

A 100+ OW would be great gift for a great movie like this I saw it again yesterday WOW {nm} gogreenytd Apr 03, 12:31

Well, the DL article with the Fandango comment (9 threads below) mentioned $80M-$85M+in its title. V also has $85M for "some" analysts... KalElFan Apr 03, 13:40

V: "Winter Soldier" should see a strong Friday-Saturday uptick, based on word-of-mouth and solid reviews. Pic has scored an 89% [RT]... {nm} KalElFan Apr 03, 13:05

unless you can quantify % uptick to RT %, it's still anecdotal. {nm} Antibody Apr 03, 13:12

As the straw man bar zooms off into the distance. Still awaiting proof of 0 correlation, when Deadline, V, that academic pdf last year, .. KalElFan Apr 03, 13:51

So CAPA2 has gone down from 92 to 89? What does that mean? Still waiting for something more substantial than the obvious Antibody Apr 03, 13:57

Conceding that "films with better reviews will have better word of mouth. Duh" is 50% of the way there, since better word of mouth leads to KalElFan Apr 03, 16:36

That's casual observation = anecdotal. The % number itself is still unquantifiable and meaningless. {nm} Antibody Apr 03, 16:46

You don't understand the different between anecdotal and factual. If you concede a correlation, you concede fact. Since there are so many KalElFan Apr 03, 16:54

Difference not different. :-) {nm} KalElFan Apr 03, 16:55

Yes, I know there's no formula, but you seem to believe there's one for RT%. You put way to much value in RT%. {nm} Antibody Apr 03, 17:05

No that's just you continuing to run from your assertion 1 1/2 pgs back that there was no correlation. The idea of a formula is absurd. {nm} KalElFan Apr 03, 18:17

You still haven't told us what the correlation is between RT% and opening weekend box office. Still waiting... {nm} Antibody Apr 04, 08:56

The burden is on you to show how RT% correlates to OW box office because you're the one who post RT%. {nm} Antibody Apr 03, 14:03

You've already backtracked and conceded now because you can't prove your statement there was no correlation. Meanwhile V, Deadline, THR, KalElFan Apr 03, 16:49

It's not backtracking or conceding, I'm saying that's all anecdotal. RogerMore showed below there's no relationship. Antibody Apr 03, 16:59

Even his quote you cited isn't that absolute, but mainly it was the same simple formula expectation problem and my response is below. As... KalElFan Apr 03, 18:59

Yes, small sample size, casual observation, no formula = anecdotal. The RT% is meaningless as a measurement of box office. Antibody Apr 04, 09:02

While I believe it will pull in more on Sat than Fri, I doubt it has much to do with WOM or the reviews, and if anyone... PlasticGoat Apr 03, 15:14

Well, "strong" is the qualifier here. And comic-book movies are often front-loaded, with big turn-outs on Friday night and drop-offs over RogerMore Apr 03, 16:12

"I don't see much relationship between RT and the Fri-Sat bump" {nm} Antibody Apr 03, 16:50

Start by noting the relationship between the best comparatiive that everyone has been using, THOR 2, which IS the highest Sat bump at 29%... KalElFan Apr 03, 18:11

It's pretty clear from my post that I don't believe there's a magic formula, so please stop making straw man arguments. {nm} RogerMore Apr 03, 18:39

Okay maybe we can all concede there's no magic formula then, so we shouldn't be looking for very simple relationships between RT and, say... KalElFan Apr 03, 19:35

LOL - talk about turning on a dime. (Also, Aurora was TDKR, not TDK) {nm} RogerMore Apr 03, 20:34

It was never me suggesting it in the first place. Point taken on TDK. Anyway, if notfabio's numbers aren't more frontloaded than THOR2... KalElFan Apr 04, 00:19

You've gone from suggesting that CAPA2 will have a strong IM because of its high RT score to saying that it won't do well with families RogerMore Apr 04, 06:37

Quadruple KudoNots! You've just managed four falsehoods in your last three posts alone. For the record let's roll the tape in the IM... KalElFan Apr 04, 08:31





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