It ties in with a pattern seen many places. Here at HSX boards only a few get into it. My point isn't that he probably doesn't fit the term.
Posted by: Facto on Apr 02, 11:37
in response to BSmurf's post Would "Bully" (a widely accepted term to...
The point is that it's more classy to use understatement or find some euphemisms. Seeing people call others they've never met, or who are the target of tabloids etc, things like scumbag, simply isn't impressive and make me think things about whoever says it.
In that way, it detracts from the main target (here: Weinstein).
(And I don't know that guy, but have no illusions that he's anywhere near a saint.)
Gawker: the open secret of Harvey Weinstein's behavior with women is now out. (will the tide build and turn like Bill Cosby?)
Antibody
Apr 02, 10:43
insinuates OWILD,. GMOL and BLIVE all been helped by "casting" sessions.
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Antibody
Apr 02, 10:46
the Gretchen Mol story (how she got Rounders) i heard a long time ago
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professor smartbrain
Apr 02, 16:50
"She was living in a Hell's Kitchen walk-up when she was noticed by a talent agent who spotted her working as a hat check girl at Michael's
Facto
Apr 03, 07:40
Cosby drugged and raped his victims. Sounds like Harvey was "asking" these women, and they at least had a "choice" in the matter
BSmurf
Apr 02, 10:54
Classy comment. The guy needs muses. Show me a highly driven person who doesn't require inspiration - unless he's a manic preacher, who
Facto
Apr 02, 11:02
Wait, what? I'm having trouble finding anything resembling a point in your post. Who are you talking to, and about what?
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BSmurf
Apr 02, 11:05
More of a general comment, but one sees so much judgemental stuff. Here, the use of a word like "scumbag".
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Facto
Apr 02, 11:11
Would "Bully" (a widely accepted term to describe HW - even by HIM) have been more appropriate? He uses people to enrich himself w/o regard
BSmurf
Apr 02, 11:17
It ties in with a pattern seen many places. Here at HSX boards only a few get into it. My point isn't that he probably doesn't fit the term.
Facto
Apr 02, 11:37
So, (astonishingly) your point is that you don't like it when people call a spade a spade? And that somehow translates to a particular
BSmurf
Apr 02, 12:02
You are right - I don't like it. I find it lacking in class, and the entire idiom of "calling a spade a spade" revolts me. It's a mask for
Facto
Apr 02, 12:28
On the other hand, Facto
DTravel
Apr 02, 13:00
Sounds like a US cultural or interpretational thing. So, unless things are put very bluntly and coarsely, disapproval can't be communicated?
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Facto
Apr 02, 13:09
Disapproval can't be communicated without being _accurate_.
DTravel
Apr 02, 13:26
This might turn into an interesting debate, yet. A bit of sociology class and something to chew on. (No immediate reply.)
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Facto
Apr 02, 13:44
short version: "They were asking for it"
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professor smartbrain
Apr 02, 11:15
Yeah, right. Never listen to mickpix - especially when it comes to me, and those few others he's held grudges against for a number of years.
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Facto
Apr 02, 11:22
Maybe because they don't agree with your views on women.
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Antibody
Apr 02, 11:31
Oh yeah, it's gotta be that. I have views on women, now+
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Facto
Apr 02, 11:33
(Supposed to be ? at the end. Might put "views on women" in quotes as well.) I'm just not a libtard, like some of these parrots.
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Facto
Apr 02, 11:34
As oppose to a conservative who think women should be subservient to men?
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Antibody
Apr 02, 11:36
Well, I guess in the US it boils down to just those two stereotypes. Even your two-party politics becomes useless noise and mudslinging.
Facto
Apr 02, 11:43
Please stop the name-calling or be banned.
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Antibody
Apr 02, 11:47
Ok, fine. Rules are rules. My apologies. I should take cues and learn to place passive-aggressive jabs, whenever possible, like he does :-)
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Facto
Apr 02, 11:53
The 'two-party politics' is hardly much different in Europe (epp & socialists), it's all the same.
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tatoufan
Apr 02, 13:08
Less theatrics and mud-slinging, but I guess we're/they're taking cues from the US and regressin, gradually..
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Facto
Apr 02, 13:24
Never listen to facto - especially when it comes to me, and those few others he's held grudges against for a number of years.
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RazorHawk
Apr 02, 11:40
Ehr.. Right. Let's make this about you and turn it all into a parody. I don't hold grudges against you. Get over yourself already..
Facto
Apr 02, 11:46
and then you post thingys like this....
RazorHawk
Apr 02, 12:01
I'd say that's about perceptiveness.
Facto
Apr 02, 12:21
passive-aggressiveness...
RazorHawk
Apr 02, 12:32
Well, that was neither a jab nor passive-aggressive. It was a jocular comment made in good spirit. Too bad it was misread as anything else.
Facto
Apr 02, 12:44
Its been years.. you still don't get it... I'll just put you on the list and I won't have to deal with it anymore.
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RazorHawk
Apr 02, 12:49
Been years? Years of what? Years of me not being able to read your mind? I honestly don't know what you're getting at.
Facto
Apr 02, 12:59
Also: Impressed that you had that tagged. A couple of general points:
Facto
Apr 02, 12:52
His point is to excuse rape, as near as I can tell.
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tawdryhepburn
Apr 02, 14:40
You should quit trying to tell/interpret then, because you're apparently really bad at it. And for the record: Accusing others of excusing
Facto
Apr 03, 05:03
You probably actually *are* a fan of Anthony Scallia so pointing out the similarities in your inductive reasoning would be counterproductive
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tawdryhepburn
Apr 03, 11:02
And I know Scallia's thought process well: my girlfriend is a lawyer and was a member of the *shudders* federalist society.
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tawdryhepburn
Apr 03, 11:03
He's not an artist. He's a powerful man using his position to gain sexual favors.
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Antibody
Apr 02, 11:27
#winning
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lhayes37
Apr 02, 11:38
Shoulda changed your nick to Charlie S or something for that one there, Les...
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Facto
Apr 02, 11:47
yeah woulda been better
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lhayes37
Apr 02, 12:04
It's despicable, but isn't that the norm for "powerful people"? They expect (and receive) more than they should, purely based on "leverage"
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Rocket123 aka PVL Admin
Apr 02, 11:47
Sexual harrassment is illegal.
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Antibody
Apr 02, 11:49
...but has to be proven, first..
Facto
Apr 02, 12:01
That comment says it all about your view. It's not a crime if you can get away with it!
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Antibody
Apr 02, 12:04
No. You're jumping to conclusions :) (Or applying rhetorics.) I actually think that "innocent until proven guilty" is a good principle for
Facto
Apr 02, 12:16
Who's to say what they should or should not receive? Who's the arbiter of that? Power is the most powerful aphrodisiac, many say.
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Facto
Apr 02, 11:57
Sexual harassment has to be proven - and therein lies the rub....
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Facto
Apr 02, 11:58
Yes, it has to be proven. But he shouldn't be able to prevent investigation into it just because he has money and influence.
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DTravel
Apr 02, 13:28
You think he holds power even over the police.. ?
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Facto
Apr 03, 05:30
I'll be glad to say he should not be asking women to strip, get on all fours so he can jerk off on their back
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Moviesnob
Apr 02, 11:58
No, that's Terry Richardson's job.
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DTravel
Apr 02, 13:04
There are at least a handful of comments I'd like to make to this post - and I find it hard to choose.
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Facto
Apr 02, 13:06
Choose better than "Power is the most powerful aphrodisiac, many say." That suggests they find casting couch behavior as sexuallystimulating
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Moviesnob
Apr 02, 13:14
Well, for one, I don't know if you're making assumptions or whether you know a lot more than is written in articles.
Facto
Apr 02, 13:23
Well I wasn't in the room but I do believe the people who have told me that.
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Moviesnob
Apr 02, 13:27
You know, like Roman Polanski.
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tawdryhepburn
Apr 02, 14:50
The mind boggles as to how you're able to bring him into this as well. Even as snark goes, these seem like low blows. Tawdry indeed.
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Facto
Apr 03, 05:23
Roman Polanski gained access to his 13-year old victim under the pretense that he was shooting a spread for Vogue.
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tawdryhepburn
Apr 03, 10:52
Okay. No name calling toward Harvey -- if the rumors were to be true, the word to use would be "Rapist."
tawdryhepburn
Apr 02, 14:21
Also boggles the mind what good expanding the rape definition does. That's a whole debate in itself - or perhaps you don't know.
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Facto
Apr 03, 05:25
Yeah... she was probably wearing a short skirt and should have known better than to drink alcohol around a man! #VictimBlaming
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tawdryhepburn
Apr 02, 14:39
You really ought to read more about rhetorics. Look up "strawman argument".
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Facto
Apr 03, 05:27
This topic is a mess, but the 'short skirt' rape apologia is absolutely relevant to the post I was responding to.
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tawdryhepburn
Apr 03, 10:53
And for the record, I am not accusing Weinstein of *anything* whatsoever. I am, however, stating that (cont'd inside)
tawdryhepburn
Apr 03, 11:00
THAT'S IT, I WILL SUE YOU ALL IF YOU KEEP UP THIS SLANDEROUS THREAD!!!
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WEINXFund
Apr 02, 20:19
;-/
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WEINXFund
Apr 02, 20:22