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yes, not putting your hands up is a free pass for the cop to shoot you unarmed {nm}

Posted by: professor smartbrain (a.k.a mickpix) on Mar 22, 10:38 in response to edzep - Port Monkey!'s post Washington Post Fact Checker: "Hands up, don't...

Washington Post Fact Checker: "Hands up, don't shoot" did not happen in Ferguson edzep - Port Monkey! Mar 22, 06:32

yes, not putting your hands up is a free pass for the cop to shoot you unarmed professor smartbrain Mar 22, 10:38

'Unarmed' is not relevant when you've gone from robbing a liquor store, to attacking a cop in his car. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Mar 22, 11:55

it's totally relevant when you're 150 feet away from the cop when he shoots you {nm} professor smartbrain Mar 22, 14:59

The Justice Dept. report disagrees with you. edzep - Port Monkey! Mar 22, 15:45

yes the law is overwhelmingly in the favor of police shooting first and asking no questions later {nm} professor smartbrain Mar 22, 19:01

It's been a while, so I don't have a link handy, but he was alot closer than 150 ft. I think less than 50 - maybe as little as 20 feet. At JDolphin Mar 22, 16:37

well that's much better. 20 feet = fire away {nm} professor smartbrain Mar 22, 18:58

So if a 6'2"+, 240lb guy that you've already tussled with and you don't know if he's armed comes at you - what do you do - you have 4 sec to JDolphin Mar 22, 20:00

You Unload the Entire Clip on the Sucker .... unless it is a White Guy, then You use Non-Lethal Means. Ferguson Mayor James Knowles III Mar 22, 22:10

Which actually happened to the neo-Nazi who went on a shooting rampage in Arizona and killed one. {nm} Antibody Mar 23, 11:35

At 20 feet you don't have 4 seconds to decide, much closer to 0.4 seconds to decide AND act. {nm} DTravel Mar 22, 22:39

Thanks - I was being generous. That was the police point. And I stil haven't heard what non-lethal means anyone would use {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 23:09

They don't call that class of weapon "non-lethal". They are "less lethal" (rubber bullets, tasers, beanbag rounds, etc.) DTravel Mar 23, 12:59

Might be new for the rest of the country - but in St Louis, we knew that false a week or two after it happened {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 12:24

And that report came out 3 weeks ago. {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 12:28

oops meant to include the link to the actual report JDolphin Mar 22, 12:29

It's still irrelevant to the main point. {nm} RogerMore Mar 22, 16:56

Which main point is that? {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 17:04

That too many people die from police action, and that the victims are disproportionately African-American. RogerMore Mar 22, 19:46

Okay - I thought this was about the Hands Up part which was false but continually gets perpetuated {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 19:56

No, I'm just saying it's irrelevant. RogerMore Mar 22, 20:24

What injustice? That the person that robbed a store, then tried to take away a policeman's gun was killed. That's perpetuating that lie {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 20:35

I'm sorry he died but he brought it on himself. {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 20:36

There's the immediate injustice that a person shouldn't die for what he did. RogerMore Mar 22, 21:26

Should the officer die for what the robber did? Are the police allowed to defend their own lives, even if the only way to do so is to kill? {nm} DTravel Mar 22, 22:42

Just one of many, how is this not an EXECUTION? RotoHockeyYTD2013MainPort Mar 22, 23:06

I don't think it's as simple as that. You have to look at ways to change things so confrontations like this don't become life and death. RogerMore Mar 23, 04:18

Police have the authority, but the power to make if life-and-death exists on both "sides". DTravel Mar 23, 13:12

By power I mean `legitimate power` {nm} RogerMore Mar 23, 14:39

(sfek - and that legitimate power means greater obligation. Plus, see my post below for why I think change in policing is the more effective RogerMore Mar 23, 14:40

Yes, he shouldn't have to die for that, but he shouldn't have put himself in that position. And yes the community does have to take JDolphin Mar 22, 23:05

I think it's change in policing that will be a lot more effective. RogerMore Mar 23, 05:11

You're Blaming the Victim. Try this - Make Body-Worn Cameras on Police Mandatory - Reduces Use-Of-Force. RotoHockeyYTD2013MainPort Mar 23, 05:55

Yes and that's sad, but his problems like many start with no decent parental figures. I live in St Louis, 10 miles from Ferguson and his JDolphin Mar 22, 20:26





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