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Go back and look at the MVPs of the last 35 years. Beyond the stats they all have one thing in common, double digit wins and playoff trips.

Posted by: lobogotti on Dec 16, 19:55 in response to Moviesnob's post MVP=most valuable player. Imagine for a second MIN...

If Peterson wants a chance at MVP, he has to put his team on his back and win.  Peyton and Brady do that.  Take them away from a team and what happens?  That's easy enough to see.  The year Brady was out they didn't make the playoffs.  Last year Peyton out, the Colts win 2 games out of 14.  If that doesn't ooze the value of those players, then I don't know what does.

An MVP WINS games for teams, like LaDanian Tomlinson did in 06 and Shawn Alexander did a few years before him.

AP has had 750+ yards rushing and 4 TDs in their six losses.  Wasted effort.  Putting up numbers like that have to turn some of those games into victories to be considered the most valuable player.  You're not as of much value if your team isn't going to the playoffs.

The only player that I could find winning MVP with single digit wins in the past 25 years was Barry Sanders, and he split the award with Farve.  He also got his team to the playoffs.

Now, if AP can put the team on his back these next two games, win them both, get over 2000 yards and get his team to the playoffs...then there is a chance were talking MVP.  If they go 8-8 and miss the playoffs then how valuable to the team was he?   A RB w/ no postseason doesn't have more value to me than a QB that secures a first round bye with home field advantage, with a 4500 yard, 35 TD season and 100+ QB rating.

we can continue to argue about ROY, but MVP is pretty clear - it should be AP - here's a crazy stat Moviesnob Dec 16, 12:04

I like his chances for 2000 yards {nm} slappydavid Dec 16, 12:33

Comeback POY will be A.D. but I still like Manning (Denver) for MVP. {nm} damenchipguy Dec 16, 13:47

hes had a great year (and kudos to you for drafting him) but Denver was a playoff team last year. Think of the Vikings w/o AP {nm} Moviesnob Dec 16, 13:59

AP is going to get Comeback Player of the Year. with a 9 game win streak and most likely a team that will win out lobogotti Dec 16, 15:28

MVP=most valuable player. Imagine for a second MIN without AP. Denver and NE are still playoff contenders Moviesnob Dec 16, 16:37

That's a good argument, also works for Luck {nm} slappydavid Dec 16, 17:23

Luck's been good, and is a ROY candidate...AP has had one of the best RB seasons ever and makes big plays in big games {nm} Moviesnob Dec 16, 17:47

Go back and look at the MVPs of the last 35 years. Beyond the stats they all have one thing in common, double digit wins and playoff trips. lobogotti Dec 16, 19:55

2 games out of 16 {nm} lobogotti Dec 16, 19:55

thats a valid argument, but i dont believe MVP should automatically come from a playoff team, especially if AP breaks the rushing record. Moviesnob Dec 16, 23:44

It's the thinking of the voters. They attribute greatness to stats + wins. I agree that Luck shouldn't win MVP, but he should be in lobogotti Dec 17, 05:22

"Over past eight games, Adrian Peterson has rushed for 1,313 yards, the most over any eight-game span in a single season in NFL history. " slappydavid Dec 16, 19:55





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