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That's like saying the Civil War was about states' rights.

Posted by: RogerMore on Feb 24, 13:34 in response to forlorne's post Here is a link to the actual bill:...

Sure, on one level it was about states' rights - but what particular rights did the Southern states decide to go to war over? The right to make laws that allowed people to own other people as property. You can't remove the context.

This law is proposed in the context of several lawsuits against businesses that refused to serve customers who happened to be gay based on their personal religious grounds, and law-makers in other states proposing similar laws that specifically allow discrimination based on sexual orientation because of "religious liberty".

Is there some other specific infringement on religious liberty that this bill trying to prevent?

Added to that is mike255(!)'s point that under this particular bill, anyone could discriminate against anyone on religious grounds. When mike255 has a better argument than you do, it's time to rethink your position.

Arizona first anti gay law. Restaurant have the refuse right gay customer. We are back in the 1950 mike255 Feb 24, 06:18

'Back Of The Bus, LGBT'. Clickable Link Inside. RotoHockeyYTD2014 Feb 24, 06:31

I will boycott this type of business. You lose a lot of money. {nm} mike255 Feb 24, 06:46

Here is a link to the actual bill: http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/SB-1062-bill.pdf Show please the "anti-gay" part? {nm} forlorne Feb 24, 07:08

This bill open abuse. My religious believe I can't serve any black, Hispanic, Asia mike255 Feb 24, 07:18

All I can tell is that it allows someone to use religious beliefs as a defense in a lawsuit, not that it says it will be forlorne Feb 24, 09:31

It says that you can use Religious Beliefs to Discriminate. Unlikely to be Signed by the Governor. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2014 Feb 24, 10:50

its targeted towards the LGBT community. Freedom of Religion does not protect you from committing criminal acts such as discrimination. {nm} Moviesnob Feb 24, 13:07

me where the bill says any such thing. + do you believe a business owner can't discriminate in any way whatsoeveer? {nm} forlorne Feb 24, 13:32

The law may not say it, but theres clear opposition to homosexuality in fundamentalist rhetoric that can easily be applied here Moviesnob Feb 24, 14:00

It would be hard to prove that serving Blacks, Hispanics and Asians could adversely affect your right to religious freedom. elchan2012 Feb 25, 10:34

"HI! WE'RE ALL GAY AND WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING SEX TALK IN LOUD VOICES WHILE YOU EAT!" islander Feb 25, 11:00

that made me laugh. {nm} Moviesnob Feb 25, 14:00

It's not a stereotype. I have noticed that gays like to bring attention to the fact that they are gays. I had that exact situation happen elchan2012 Feb 25, 14:20

its bigotry and ignorance to take the actions of an individual and apply them to a group {nm} Moviesnob Feb 25, 14:27

Like it or not our perceptions of others are based on stereotypes and archetypes. This is how human minds work. elchan2012 Feb 25, 14:39

i completely disagree. hate is learned, not ingrained. {nm} Moviesnob Feb 25, 14:47

Stereotypes and archetypes do not necessarily accompany hate. Hate is your reactions to them. elchan2012 Feb 25, 19:51

I hate to break it to you, but calling homosexuality abnormal is hate. I hope you can learn that they are just people like you. They just Moviesnob Feb 25, 21:30

I don't see how anything Moviesnob has said on this board could be described as "hate". RogerMore Feb 26, 04:47

I'm stating facts as they stand. It is abnormal behaviour, since the majority of people are not gay. elchan2012 Feb 26, 08:36

No, it's normal because it occurs normally. And this discussion isn't about gay marriage, but people treating other people as human beings RogerMore Feb 26, 08:53

If everyone in the world was gay, the human race would be fine. {nm} Moviesnob Feb 26, 10:13

How's that different from a heterosexul couple announcing their presence by acts of affection or loud conversations about their sex partners {nm} Antibody Feb 25, 12:24

its easier to state that LGBT act exactly the same as heterosexual people do. If you perceive a difference thats you not them {nm} Moviesnob Feb 25, 14:02

They don't feel the need refer to their boyfriends every other word to announce their gayness. elchan2012 Feb 25, 14:47

Sure, there are Christians and Muslim groups against heterosexual PDAs. {nm} Antibody Feb 25, 14:59

Elchan I can create my own Religious belief? I have the right to refuse customer based on race? mike255 Feb 26, 05:59

Equating being a certain race, with being gay is not correct. In fact, it is insulting to people of ethnicity. elchan2012 Feb 26, 08:51

You are born gay just as you are born to a race of ethnicity. {nm} Antibody Feb 26, 09:50

That's like saying the Civil War was about states' rights. RogerMore Feb 24, 13:34

That Closing Line is Priceless. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2014 Feb 24, 14:37

Next year gay and lesbian will make it news next year on Super Bowl in Arizona {nm} mike255 Feb 24, 07:19

If this passes, the NFL should move the Super Bowl. {nm} Antibody Feb 25, 12:09





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