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For those who don't know what the bill is about and don't want to read all the literature, inside is the logic:

Posted by: PRodNano (a.k.a PRodQuanta) on Jun 30, 10:12 in response to mike255's post Usa Supreme court Require every american citizen must...

Bob: Hi, insurance company. I'd like to buy some health insurance.

Insurance company: No. You had cancer when you were 3 years old, and the cancer could come back. We're not selling you health insurance.

Bob: It's not my fault I got cancer when I was three! Besides, that was years ago!

Insurance company: If we sell insurance to you, we'll probably lose money, and we're not doing it.

Bob: But I need insurance more than anyone! My cancer might come back!

Insurance company: We don't care. We're not selling you insurance.

Obama: Hey, that's totally not fair. Bob is right, he does need insurance! Sell Bob some insurance.

Insurance company: If we have to, I guess.

Mary: This is cool. Obama said the insurance company has to sell insurance to anyone who needs it.

Sam: Hey, I have an idea. I'm going to stop paying for health insurance. If I get sick, I can always go buy some insurance then. The insurance company won't be able to say no, because Obama's told them they have to sell it to anyone who needs it!

Dave: that's a great idea! I'm not paying for health insurance either, at least not until I get sick.

Insurance company: Hey! If everyone stops paying for insurance, we'll go bankrupt!

Obama: Oh come on Sam and Dave, that's not fair either.

Dave: I don't care. It saves me money.

Obama: Oh for god's sake. Sam, Dave, you have to keep paying for health insurance, and not wait until you're sick. You too, Mary and Bob.

Mary: But I'm broke! I can't buy insurance! I just don't have any money.

Obama: Mary, show me your piggy bank. Oh, wow, you really are broke. Ok, tell you what. You still have to buy insurance, but I'll help you pay 95% of the cost.

Mary: thank you.

Obama: I need an aspirin.

Insurance company: We're not paying for that aspirin.

Usa Supreme court Require every american citizen must Health insurance mike255 Jun 29, 15:04

Horrible. It will be done through a tax which means we'll be paying. Why should I have to pay for other people to get health insurance? {nm} MontyBurnz Jun 29, 15:28

you do now; ever been to an ER at a county hospital? {nm} daveart Jun 29, 16:11

No no no...You do not get it. If you choose not to buy insurance, the penalty is higher taxes. If you have, or buy health insurance, in BUY StarBondFund Jun 29, 17:25

Yes, my employer provides insurance. But why should people be forced to pay for something they don't use? MontyBurnz Jun 29, 19:11

needing medical attention is not something you plan for {nm} Moviesnob Jun 29, 19:15

Part of "forcing" everyone to have health insurance (or to pay a tax if they choose to forgo) is a concession to the health industry. Paul2k Jun 29, 19:27

With more people on insurance, good luck getting into see a doctor when you need to. MontyBurnz Jun 29, 20:46

Also, it is going to allow the government to outlaw any food item they want, such as further regulation of sweet items soda, candy, etc. MontyBurnz Jun 29, 22:20

Movie theatres will go out of business when the products they sell in order to stay in business are outlawed because they're not healthy {nm} MontyBurnz Jun 29, 22:24

This will not/ can not happen (and I think you know that). PRodNano Jun 30, 10:06

Supply will always meet demand. If this is the case, it will create more jobs. {nm} PRodNano Jun 30, 09:58

Also, the bill also stipulates that doctors will start getting paid on how effectively they treat their patients, not by how many they see. PRodNano Jun 30, 10:08

There's a wrinkle in that supply/demand logic. You can't just churn out more doctors. It takes years and lots of money to create a doctor. Paul2k Jun 30, 10:48

Good points Paul. However, I was more refering to allowing more students into medical schools. I believe the amount that they let in PRodNano Jun 30, 12:31

This is true. In Canada, we have a hard time getting find a general practitioner. It's easier to go to a clinic. But specialists are elchan Jun 30, 14:32

In your life time, there's a high probability that you *will* use health insurance. Most likely you will need it when you are older elchan Jun 30, 07:53

I'm not disagreeing with the verdict, but the problem is, the court decided it wasnt a tax when it agreed to hear the case Moviesnob Jun 29, 19:17

basically, the court said its not a tax for purposes of the anti-injunction act, but is a tax that congress can levy it. pretty weird {nm} Moviesnob Jun 29, 19:23

I agree with universal health care. This is what separates us from animals. The social pact. elchan Jun 30, 07:57

+1 :) {nm} Jane_Citizen Jun 30, 14:20

For those who don't know what the bill is about and don't want to read all the literature, inside is the logic: PRodNano Jun 30, 10:12

Not sure that's any better than what we have now. Actually, sounds worse. Here's why... MontyBurnz Jun 30, 10:25

Medicaid/Medicare isn't going away with the ACA, so that local aid you got should stay in place. I'm not entirely sure on the workings of Paul2k Jun 30, 10:40

I didn't have MedicAid or Medicare. What I had was called Medical Assistance (MA). I believe it's different than those you mentioned. {nm} MontyBurnz Jun 30, 11:39

It's possible that Medical Assistance is just the local/state name for Medicaid. Medicaid is the federal name, but the funds from it are Paul2k Jun 30, 12:05

Does the new law require employers to offer health insurance to every employee, regardless of whether they're full or part time? {nm} MontyBurnz Jun 30, 12:25

Business with over 50 full-time employees must offer coverage to those employees or pay a fine. Not sure about part time. {nm} PRodNano Jun 30, 12:39

Is there a certain standard employer-offered insurance must meet that is part of the law? {nm} MontyBurnz Jun 30, 13:07

I'm not sure, but I assume it has to be at least as good as the coverage that the government offers. {nm} PRodNano Jun 30, 13:10

I played Russian roulette once and didn't get killed. Thus, banning Russian roulette games for people's safety is not logical? PRodNano Jun 30, 12:46

If it doesn't work for you, you probably make too much money yet don't have a job that offers health insurance, a pretty rare occurence. MontyBurnz Jun 30, 12:55

That's actually quite hilarious, because that doesn't describe any one of our situations :) {nm} PRodNano Jun 30, 13:03

i've worked four jobs in the past seven years that rendered me ineligble for Medicaid but did not offer health care benefits to me {nm} mickpix Jun 30, 13:58

More in depth (yet still bulleted) info on the bill PRodNano Jun 30, 12:38





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