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No, they want to be included, respected and accepted as ordinary members of society, and that means an environment where they are not

Posted by: RogerMore on Jan 09, 07:21 in response to elchan2012's post As humans, they are entitled the same rights as we all...

actively discriminated against. The same rights that apply to everyone in a multicultural, pluralistic, inclusive society.

I'm not sure what rights above and beyond normal human rights you think they are seeking.

HP: NHL Becomes First North American Sports League To Have All Teams Support LGBT Athletes And Fans. RotoHockeyYTD2013 Jan 08, 12:54

Let's not get carried away. More like NHL gets all teams to make a video for You Can Play Antibody Jan 08, 13:00

Don't Worry - your MLB will be right behind in 20 - 40 years. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Jan 08, 13:10

Get back to us when an active ice hockey player comes out of the closet. {nm} Antibody Jan 08, 13:12

First Steps First - Official Formal League Support for LGBT (Major Step). {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Jan 08, 13:20

Again, read the actual Press Release, and not the regurgitated headline from HP. Antibody Jan 08, 13:27

Every Team - All 30 Teams - League-Wide Support (Major Step). Good on Gary Bettman (Leadership). {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Jan 08, 13:34

"Through You Can Play" {nm} Antibody Jan 08, 13:45

Once Again, it's a Race between FIFA Soccer & MLB to see which Major Sports League is Last to get on Board. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Jan 08, 15:19

FYI, I'm a bigger hockey fan than baseball fan. I don't have blind faith in one sport over another just because of its national origin. {nm} Antibody Jan 08, 15:36

Right on. Any particular Team you follow - or particular Players? {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Jan 08, 16:27

i.e. NHL makes desperate ploy for publicity. For what possible reason wouldn't NHL support ANY fans? {nm} forlorne Jan 08, 13:42

It's a PR put out by You Can Play, not NHL. {nm} Antibody Jan 08, 13:46

Why does a sports team have to support gay rights? Why do gays need special rights? All humans fall have human rights. elchan2012 Jan 08, 18:47

They're not asking for special rights. They want their human rights to be recognized. {nm} RogerMore Jan 09, 05:57

As humans, they are entitled the same rights as we all have. They seem to need more than that. {nm} elchan2012 Jan 09, 06:48

No, they want to be included, respected and accepted as ordinary members of society, and that means an environment where they are not RogerMore Jan 09, 07:21

Well, other humans do not define themselves in terms of their sexual orientation. It's irrelevant for anyone else except the partner. elchan2012 Jan 09, 07:43

You have this 100% backwards. The "defining" is done by people who want to exclude gays, for the sole reason that they are gay. RogerMore Jan 09, 08:13

Nobody defines who they are. They are defined by the acts they do, and with whom they do them elchan2012 Jan 09, 10:18

I have to ask about this one... lobogotti Jan 09, 11:35

Have to ask about this one .... Women & Gays can play on the Same Teams? {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2014 Jan 09, 11:56

You do realize there are gay athletes in communal showers with straight athletes right now without any incident. Antibody Jan 09, 14:15

Firstly, voting is a duty, not a privilege and woman's rights were impinged upon, by not being allowed to vote. elchan2012 Jan 09, 16:33

well I'll say this, I use your website often and value your contributions here, we just have a difference of opinion lobogotti Jan 09, 17:32

We're just debating here, right? I'm just giving my opinion. elchan2012 Jan 09, 18:24

Homosexuality is NORMAL. They are not a fringe group and calling them that is hate {nm} Moviesnob Jan 09, 18:31

and gay couples have children. They aren't "granted custody". {nm} Moviesnob Jan 09, 18:33

Then I don't know what the definition of gay/homosexual is. Because my understanding is that they are attracted to same sex partners. elchan2012 Jan 09, 18:56

I'm glad you admit your ignorance. Maybe you should change that. {nm} Moviesnob Jan 09, 19:01

Gay couples can have surrogates, or invitro, or adopt; hetero couples can do the same, either if one partner has difficulty in the Paul2k Jan 09, 19:33

According to Wiki, 3.8% of Americans identified as gay. I would consider that fringe. Why is that hate? elchan2012 Jan 09, 18:53

no, fringe implies negative connotation. The word you are looking for is minority. They aren't on the edge of anything. {nm} Moviesnob Jan 09, 18:58

The word "fringe" on its own has no negative connotation. It simply means "edge". elchan2012 Jan 09, 20:19

you are wrong. From Webster's (note: "marginal, secondary, extremist"). Homosexuals are productive and valuable and not on the edge Moviesnob Jan 09, 20:25





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