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Joint Committee on Taxation: Lower- and middle-income households ($10k-$75k) will likely end up paying more in taxes dubord.s Dec 21, 07:57

you are making the common mistake of reading the actual text of the bill. what the GOP really means is someone will fix this later {nm} slipping jimmy Dec 21, 09:00

Fortunately, in a couple months low and middle income Americans will see the benefits in their paychecks, and shortly thereafter those out PhoneHome Dec 21, 10:15

I'd be willing to debate, but to characterize a statement from JTC as "media lies" indicates how open you are to actual debate. {nm} dubord.s Dec 21, 10:17

The lies comes from those such as the CBC article you cited that manipulate JTC and TPC information out of context {nm} PhoneHome Dec 21, 10:21

That's just your opinion. Provide some context then, {nm} Antibody Dec 21, 10:48

According to the TPC directly (link enclosed), the bottom 40% will reap a whopping $220 a year. Then hands some back in 2025. dubord.s Dec 21, 12:41

Again with distorting by using incomplete information. The TPC also says the bottom 45% doesn't pay any taxes. Zero, none, nada. PhoneHome Dec 21, 13:08

Ludicrous? They get about $190k, which by my math, is almost 1000 times $220. But of course, that's straight math so it must be a trick. {nm} dubord.s Dec 21, 13:24

it also ignores all the other non-tax costs that will continue to go up as a result -- higher premiums for health insurance will wipe out slipping jimmy Dec 21, 13:28

Since they are already paying zero, $220/yr is coming from you and me and the top 1% in the form of credits. Actually a nice gift. {nm} PhoneHome Dec 21, 13:19

(income taxes, because they don't make enough money to get into a bracket. still pay plenty of sales and other taxes) {nm} slipping jimmy Dec 21, 13:23

Check the facts: those under $25k (bottom 20%) will get a whole $60 a year. The next quintile DO pay taxes, and get $30 a month. dubord.s Dec 21, 13:32

Your quote ignores the 2nd quintile. And it defintely doesn't say anybody, including the top 0.1% is saving $190K. Made up figure? PhoneHome Dec 21, 14:48

Really? 8 page report too long for you? Here's some help: it's in the p.3 table. Ave Fed Tax Change of $193,380 for Top 0.1% {nm} dubord.s Dec 21, 20:30

low and middle income (0 to $75k/yr) will see, at best, $202 to $2,129/year in savings (at first). $20 to $180/mo is table crumbs slipping jimmy Dec 21, 10:49

$2,129/year table crumbs? Tell them that. Avg taxes for $30-40K is $2149, $40-50k $3325, $50-75K $5634. Thats 38-100% annual tax savings! PhoneHome Dec 21, 11:56

yes, compared to the trillions that will be flowing to the top brackets, corporations, and pass-through entities, $2k a year is scraps. and slipping jimmy Dec 21, 12:15

$2000/yr avg savings as per TPC X 126,000,000 households = $250 billion/yr, $1.75 trillion over 7 years PhoneHome Dec 21, 12:26

surely they'll all turn out in the midterms to vote for the reps and senators who passed it, if it's such a great deal! {nm} slipping jimmy Dec 21, 13:25

ESPN: Dana White says Floyd Mayweather Jr. in talks for UFC deal to fight in the Octagon Antibody Dec 20, 17:16

Mayweather "I'm not doing it". McGregor "P---y" Antibody Dec 20, 17:57

NHL: Toronto Maple Leafs' James Van Riemsdyk Scores the Franchise's 20,000th Goal On 100th NHL Anniversary. RotoHockey2013MainPort Dec 20, 16:20

17 out of 18 GOP congressmen, including the ones who purportedly wrote it themselves, couldn't name what the 7 brackets actually are slipping jimmy Dec 20, 15:27

Huffington Post, Vox, basically tabloids for the left. They both reported that Trump is an alien planted to destroy Earth from the inside. {nm} PhoneHome Dec 20, 18:09

83% of all benefits of final tax cut bill go to the top 1% slipping jimmy Dec 19, 18:00

Left wing propaganda!! Oh wait, TPC is actually non-partisan, and was established with Reagan & Bush staffers {nm} dubord.s Dec 19, 19:30

For those that aren't familiar enough with tax preparation to do your own analysis, the garbage and manipulation of the numbers in this PhoneHome Dec 19, 21:28

Vox's source is TPC as pointed out above. Why don't you offer your source instead a bunch of words that prove nothing. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 22:19

The tax bill is my source. I do taxes. I calculated the thousands of dollars each low to middle income household will save. PhoneHome Dec 20, 10:36

So the middle class are fooled for the next 10 years while the wealthy and the corporate get their tax breaks forever. {nm} Antibody Dec 20, 10:39

Come on, the middle class get their tax cuts for the next 10 years guaranteed, when it just gets extended by another Republican congress. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:01

Too funny. You've got 10 years to fix 2027. Start working on it. {nm} PhoneHome Dec 20, 11:02

Also from TPC. "In 2018 , 80 percent of taxpayers would receive a tax cut from the included provisions -- averaging about $ 2,100 {nm} PhoneHome Dec 20, 11:03

yes, it's rigged to look good for a midterm election year. why vote for something that automatically needs "fixed" to avoid raising taxes slipping jimmy Dec 20, 11:09

Because it's a minimum 10 year tax CUT. Something Democrats just can't vote for. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:14

12 Republicans voted against the Tax Bill. {nm} Antibody Dec 20, 11:21

Republicans that won election in traditionally democratic districts, thanks to Trump. Their votes were not needed in these blue areas. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:28

Meanwhile the deficit soars to $1.5 trillion. {nm} Antibody Dec 20, 11:16

*by {nm} Antibody Dec 20, 11:16

(at a minimum, but likely even more) {nm} slipping jimmy Dec 20, 11:28

Since when do Democrats care about deficits? How much did Obama add to the deficit? lol. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:30

The $1.5T over 10 years that you're whining about was added by Obama for every year he was in office. {nm} PhoneHome Dec 20, 11:34

They don't care, just a talking point they have to spew. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:36

The difference is, this $1.5 T is going to you and me. Obama's $9 Trillion went to government beaurocracy, overseas, waste, failed Gov Progr {nm} PhoneHome Dec 20, 11:37

the 10 years is the tax bill. they could have made the middle class cuts permanent 10 years out too. they chose not to and still voted yes {nm} slipping jimmy Dec 20, 10:44

Perhaps in 10 years they will lower your tax rate even more! Oh the horror! {nm} PhoneHome Dec 20, 11:10

i make enough to probably get a modest cut from the start. most laws aren't based on the assumption that it means something other than what slipping jimmy Dec 20, 11:17

What? You get a modest tax CUT? Just say thank you and stop crying then. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:33

We're not gullible fools,. {nm} Antibody Dec 20, 11:36

Then stop posting about the horror of a tax cut. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:38

If you bought into that Vox article, then maybe . . . never mind {nm} PhoneHome Dec 20, 11:38

Calm down. They can just extend the 10 year window anytime within the next 10 years. Democrats just won't vote for tax cuts. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:10

Dems flip 16th seat in Virginia House of Delegates, ensuring a 50-50 split of control with GOP . . . by one vote slipping jimmy Dec 19, 14:09

ESPN: Islanders wins bid to build arena next to Belmont Park Antibody Dec 19, 13:04

Disney isn't sending their best Imagineers to the Hall of Presidents slipping jimmy Dec 19, 10:05

DJIA increased more during Obama's first 11 months (29%) than Mr. Wall Street's (24%). sad! slipping jimmy Dec 19, 08:50

Sen. Bob Corker flipped his tax vote from no to yes after Corker Kickback inserted to benefit LLC-owned real estate holdings (like POTUS) slipping jimmy Dec 18, 19:27

WaPo: POTUS's flunky lawyers will meet with Battling Bob Mueller next week, likely informed that his team expects to be working into 2018 slipping jimmy Dec 18, 19:09

Phys: Oldest fossils ever found show life on Earth began before 3.5 billion years ago Antibody Dec 18, 15:15

That, or 6,000-some years is a hard limit, depending on your susceptibility to superstition {nm} DTXbro Dec 18, 16:17

Willing to speak with, or review documents, from that time period. Who can dispute 3.5 billion years ago? Just say 300 billion if you want {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 16:42

It's really sad how ignorant you are of the Scientific Method. Most Christians don't believe earth is literally 6000 years old. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 17:16

I'll take your word for it, thanks. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 17:30

Take the Pope's word for it '“The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world," Antibody Dec 18, 17:49

Well then, obviously the Pope is just a left wing propaganda pusher. {nm} dubord.s Dec 18, 20:04

If there was a "big bang" everything in space would be traveling away from the center of the bang. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 21:36

and in fact everything is slipping jimmy Dec 18, 22:19

"It suggests that everything is moving away from everything else". TJNFL1 Dec 19, 00:47

You are failing to understand a critical piece DTravel Dec 19, 13:06

Think of it this way. You're in a room, the walls are padded, food is served with plastic silverware, a white robe is tied very tight. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 19, 20:40

Seriously? You are reacting like that to someone trying to help you? {nm} DTravel Dec 20, 17:40

When delusions are this strong, some people are beyond help. {nm} dubord.s Dec 21, 07:47

Choose reason. Every time. Especially over sacred ignorance or dogmatic intolerance. DTXbro Dec 18, 21:43

bro, you are obviously the most tolerant person here, lol. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 21:56

Carry on, clingers. (Calling a bigot a bigot is not intolerance. Also, disdaining science is for gullible, juvenile losers.) {nm} DTXbro Dec 20, 00:44

Just can't stop the hating can you? {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 20, 11:22

Reminds us who hates the gays, the Muslims, the transgendered, the immigrants, the uppity women, the blacks . . . DTXbro Dec 21, 06:05

That's a lot of hate speak bro. Get that anger checked out by a professional, ... {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 22, 00:40

NBC: FBI warned POTUS personally in summer 2016 that Russia would try to infiltrate his campaign, asked to be informed of any attempts slipping jimmy Dec 18, 15:03

(at least seven Trump campaign members had Russian contacts either before or after the warning that went unreported) {nm} slipping jimmy Dec 18, 16:46

So nothing about Hillary Clintons Russian contacts Lydia Guryev, or Vadim Mikerin? (Typical) {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 17:28

Homebuilder confidence hits highest level in 18 years TJNFL1 Dec 18, 14:38

SI: Jerry Richardson, Panthers Have Made Multiple Confidential Payouts for Workplace Misconduct, Including Sexual Harassment and Racial Slur Antibody Dec 18, 10:02

Colin Kaepernick and Stephen Curry want in on Diddy's bid for the Carolina Panthers Antibody Dec 18, 11:00

lawd yes. Jerruh Jones would stroke out {nm} slipping jimmy Dec 18, 11:02

NFL is overdue for an African-American majority owner. Interesting, the only African-American majority owner in the NBA is in Charlotte, NC. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 11:43

Based on the allegations, he's not even close to the same ballpark as his p****-grabbing POTUS buddy. {nm} dubord.s Dec 18, 12:39

Jimmy Garoppolo, (3-0), San Francisco 49ers QB of the future. 31-of-43 passing, 381 yards, 1 touchdown, 0 turnovers. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 01:08

Someone call Colin Kaepernick. The Philadelphia Eagles went down in flames with Nick Foles. TJNFL1 Dec 18, 00:54

Battling Bob Mueller now has all (thousands) of the Trump transition team emails, including Jared's slipping jimmy Dec 16, 18:30

Did he find the 33,000 emails still under a congressional subpoena that Hillary deleted and acid washed? {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 16, 20:39

WHATABOUT ..... President Hillary Clinton. {nm} Captain Obvious Dec 16, 22:45

so some emails are important, and others no one cares about, ... got it. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 17, 04:12

Some things are oranges. And some things are apples. And they are not the same. And we teach this in grade school. {nm} BSmurf Dec 17, 07:39

In other words, if you have any evidence that Hillary's emails somehow involved Trumps Russian connections, you should probably share with BSmurf Dec 17, 07:41

Half-million bucks Putin regime funneled to Bill Clinton, Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation, Christopher Steele Russian dossier {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 00:33

False. This has been shown to be Fake News over and over again. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 07:27

Liberal propaganda deficient of any explanations regarding bank record evidence showing Russian financial contributions to Clintons {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 11:48

Your use of coordinating conjunctions is indubitably indicative of your tempered scholastic prowess. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 00:22

and still you cannot write even ONE response that is on the original topic. Don't blame others for your self inflicted ignorance {nm} BSmurf Dec 18, 10:10

Bob Mueller continues collecting tax payer money with no Trump / Russian election collusion after a year. Congratulations! {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 12:04

other than two indictments and two guilty pleas {nm} slipping jimmy Dec 18, 12:27

After a year, anything on Trump? No? {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 12:34

Trump runs his entire campaign by himself? No. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 12:42

... a year later ... still waiting ... {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 14:43

Mueller appointed May 17, 2017. 7 months. Get a calendar. How can one person be so wrong ALL THE TIME? {nm} BSmurf Dec 19, 10:55

Mueller appointed due to the FISA warrant, due to the fake Russia dossier, paid for by Uranium One money. The witch hunt goes back awhile. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 19, 21:10

Yes but what about is a poor defense. We are looking at misdeeds of the CURRENT administration.. Keep focused..... mrbinns Dec 17, 14:34

Bill and Hillary Clinton received hundreds of thousands of dollars from Russia for U.S. uranium and deleted the evidence. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 00:39

Ridiculous fantasy. The Clintons make millions on their own, what's the point of making this "deal"? {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 08:15

money / power. Buy the government through presidential victory promises using private servers to conduct personal agendas out of site. TJNFL1 Dec 18, 12:00

US uranium = presidential victory promises? You can't even get your fantasy straight. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 12:03

Uranium sales = Russian cash to Clinton Foundation = buy government agencies through political promises after 2016 election victory TJNFL1 Dec 18, 12:15

The uranium sale is not even for Hilary to approve so the entire fantasy falls apart. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 12:46

State department approval was required for the uranium sale, sorry. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 16:37

The Committee on Foreign Investments has NINE members. Only the president could veto the deal. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 17:04

Was Hillary one of those 9 members, Yes. Did she submit “recommends suspension or prohibition of the transaction,” No. Why? $$$ {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 17:37

And what about the other EIGHT members? Again, it's been fact-checked that she part of the decision process. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 17:56

*that she wasn't part of the decision process. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 17:56

The State Department, which she ran, did not object to the terms of the deal. Why would anyone sell U.S. uranium to Russia? Money! {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 21:52

For your idiotic conspiracy to work, all NINE members had to be paid off. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 11:17

or, they just followed marching orders, or they followed their own political agendas, or maybe they just lacked knowledge or concern. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 19, 21:15

WP: Trump Admin banned words: vulnerable, entitlement, diversity, transgender, fetus,evidence-based, science-based in CDC budget documents. Antibody Dec 16, 10:35

We should be grateful they banned just 7 words -- the goobers are half-educated, so banning half of all words would have been natural{nm} DTXbro Dec 17, 11:26

deplorables cast almost as many votes as illegals {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 02:37

That's a lame defense of bigotry, backwardness, adult-onset superstition, and failure {nm} DTXbro Dec 18, 06:57

Keep spinning it there bro, or build a wall, enforce the law, reduce human trafficking, drugs, and crime. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 12:21

Newsweek: "TRUMP HAS DEPORTED FEWER IMMIGRANTS THAN OBAMA DID LAST YEAR" slipping jimmy Dec 18, 14:01

The numbers are picking back up again. In January they were scarred, but that soon fell to curiosity, success, & sanctuary cities. {nm} TJNFL1 Dec 18, 17:42

ET: Chef Mario Batali includes cinnamon roll recipe in sexual misconduct apology RazorHawk Dec 16, 10:35