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Freedom of Speech/Religion is NOT equal to freedom from the consequences of that speech/those beliefs. Do not confuse the two.

Posted by: BSmurf on Dec 19, 19:25 in response to Oleg Max's post He is being fired from expressing his beliefs that are...

In this case, his statements were ignorant (giving him the greatest benefit of the doubt here), and at worst, hate speech.

I personally would lean towards the former, as he is unlikely to have had a single meaninful friendship or significant gay figure in his life at any point. He formed his beliefs from other equally ignorant people, and within such a vacuum, the stupidity festers and amplifies itself.

When people from that vacuum are given a worldwide platform and audience, everyone is suddenly surprised to find out this person doesn't know anything about anything? I thought that was what the show was about in the first place!Ā 

Two words: Ratings gold.

Launched this morning, PETITION #ISTANDWITHPHIL hits over 50,000 signatures... you go, Phil! Oleg Max Dec 19, 14:25

'Religion allows people to easily express hatred, because it rationalizes it.' RotoHockeyYTD2013 Dec 19, 14:43

when is expressing ones opinion about anything automatically equals hate? he did not say that he hates them, did he? {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:11

Historically, both Christians & Muslims have an Outstanding Track Record for Killing Gays for being Gay. RotoHockeyYTD2013 Dec 19, 15:37

you are talking in general terms that don't relate to what Phil actually said... {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:52

or in this case, did not even say... {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:52

His gay bashing is the definition of hate speech. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 16:04

Drudge highlights two gay intellectuals that see the bigger picture... edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 20, 06:26

The GK Chesterton standard is not a bad one - and if you apply it to Phil, he's clearly bigoted. {nm} RogerMore Dec 20, 08:54

Is there a petition for standing with Martin Bashir? Have those same people signed it? {nm} LonePirate Dec 19, 15:23

i don't know who that is... {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:36

He was a newscaster for MSNBC who was fired a couple weeks back for speaking out against Sarah Palin's ignorant slavery comments {nm} LonePirate Dec 19, 15:40

I see. No one should be fired for speaking out, as long as they are not threatening to harm or kill anyone. {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:46

I would disagree. I think employers have the right to terminate employees if the don't represent the company to the companies standards {nm} Moviesnob Dec 19, 16:25

Hmm, really? So if you/your company had a standard that said no gays allowed to be employed by the co., & it turned Oleg Max Dec 19, 17:04

Your company would be breaking federal law with that standard. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 17:06

So isn't A&E breaking a law then? I don't get it.... It's against the law to fire a gay but it's not against the law to fire Christian? {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 17:33

He's not being fired for being a Christian. {nm} Moviesnob Dec 19, 17:37

He is being fired from expressing his beliefs that are based on Bible = Christian book... {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 17:46

Honestly, you will probably not like me saying this, so apologies, but there's a difference between expressing his beliefs the way he did Moviesnob Dec 19, 17:52

Freedom of Speech/Religion is NOT equal to freedom from the consequences of that speech/those beliefs. Do not confuse the two. BSmurf Dec 19, 19:25

First of all, he's not being fired, he's being suspended. A&E won't be editing the episodes already filmed to remove him, etc. RogerMore Dec 19, 17:50

He also said some pretty appalling stuff about life being better with Jim Crow laws. LonePirate Dec 19, 18:01

well, that would be against the law, but I think the reverse would be more like if someone at the company said Christianity was evil and all Moviesnob Dec 19, 17:13

dont ask questions if you dont like the answers...phils religious convictions are well documented. suppose i were to be suspended from a jo horrorfanatic Dec 19, 20:39

No, that would be legal to fire you, because Star Wars fans aren't a protected class under anti-discrimination laws. RogerMore Dec 19, 20:55

well they should be. star wars IS a religion =) {nm} horrorfanatic Dec 19, 21:04

Sigh. He is free to continue to express his beliefs and say what he wants to say. No one is stopping him. Moviesnob Dec 19, 21:06

He didn't speak out against her comments, he said she specifically should have her mouth defecated and urinated in. He also forlorne Dec 20, 13:02





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