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First of all, he's not being fired, he's being suspended. A&E won't be editing the episodes already filmed to remove him, etc.

Posted by: RogerMore on Dec 19, 17:50 in response to Oleg Max's post So isn't A&E breaking a law then? I don't get it.......

And I'll bet he is back next season, after this has died down. But we'll see.

Secondly, my understanding is that the same federal law that protects people from being fired just for being gay also protects people from being fired for being Christian (or whatever religion they happen to be)

Thirdly, he's not being disciplined for being Christian, he is being disciplined for stuff like comparing people who are gay to people who have sex with animals. That's not being Christian - as snob points out, it's hateful speech against a particular group. And hateful speech against a particular group (eg - snob's example "all Christians are evil") should be disciplined.

Launched this morning, PETITION #ISTANDWITHPHIL hits over 50,000 signatures... you go, Phil! Oleg Max Dec 19, 14:25

'Religion allows people to easily express hatred, because it rationalizes it.' RotoHockeyYTD2013 Dec 19, 14:43

when is expressing ones opinion about anything automatically equals hate? he did not say that he hates them, did he? {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:11

Historically, both Christians & Muslims have an Outstanding Track Record for Killing Gays for being Gay. RotoHockeyYTD2013 Dec 19, 15:37

you are talking in general terms that don't relate to what Phil actually said... {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:52

or in this case, did not even say... {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:52

His gay bashing is the definition of hate speech. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 16:04

Drudge highlights two gay intellectuals that see the bigger picture... edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 20, 06:26

The GK Chesterton standard is not a bad one - and if you apply it to Phil, he's clearly bigoted. {nm} RogerMore Dec 20, 08:54

Is there a petition for standing with Martin Bashir? Have those same people signed it? {nm} LonePirate Dec 19, 15:23

i don't know who that is... {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:36

He was a newscaster for MSNBC who was fired a couple weeks back for speaking out against Sarah Palin's ignorant slavery comments {nm} LonePirate Dec 19, 15:40

I see. No one should be fired for speaking out, as long as they are not threatening to harm or kill anyone. {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 15:46

I would disagree. I think employers have the right to terminate employees if the don't represent the company to the companies standards {nm} Moviesnob Dec 19, 16:25

Hmm, really? So if you/your company had a standard that said no gays allowed to be employed by the co., & it turned Oleg Max Dec 19, 17:04

Your company would be breaking federal law with that standard. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 17:06

So isn't A&E breaking a law then? I don't get it.... It's against the law to fire a gay but it's not against the law to fire Christian? {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 17:33

He's not being fired for being a Christian. {nm} Moviesnob Dec 19, 17:37

He is being fired from expressing his beliefs that are based on Bible = Christian book... {nm} Oleg Max Dec 19, 17:46

Honestly, you will probably not like me saying this, so apologies, but there's a difference between expressing his beliefs the way he did Moviesnob Dec 19, 17:52

Freedom of Speech/Religion is NOT equal to freedom from the consequences of that speech/those beliefs. Do not confuse the two. BSmurf Dec 19, 19:25

First of all, he's not being fired, he's being suspended. A&E won't be editing the episodes already filmed to remove him, etc. RogerMore Dec 19, 17:50

He also said some pretty appalling stuff about life being better with Jim Crow laws. LonePirate Dec 19, 18:01

well, that would be against the law, but I think the reverse would be more like if someone at the company said Christianity was evil and all Moviesnob Dec 19, 17:13

dont ask questions if you dont like the answers...phils religious convictions are well documented. suppose i were to be suspended from a jo horrorfanatic Dec 19, 20:39

No, that would be legal to fire you, because Star Wars fans aren't a protected class under anti-discrimination laws. RogerMore Dec 19, 20:55

well they should be. star wars IS a religion =) {nm} horrorfanatic Dec 19, 21:04

Sigh. He is free to continue to express his beliefs and say what he wants to say. No one is stopping him. Moviesnob Dec 19, 21:06

He didn't speak out against her comments, he said she specifically should have her mouth defecated and urinated in. He also forlorne Dec 20, 13:02





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