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Yes, he shouldn't have to die for that, but he shouldn't have put himself in that position. And yes the community does have to take

Posted by: JDolphin on Mar 22, 23:05 in response to RogerMore's post There's the immediate injustice that a person shouldn't...

responsiblity for raising these kids to be decent citizens that don't feel it's okay to rob someone or burn down businesses. 

It's interesting that you only use easy examples of wrongful death.  I don't know where you live, maybe it's a rural area that doesn't have shootings not by people other than police every day (hey 3 more on the news tonight). 

There is NO reason to rob a store EVER! Have you seen the looting videos they are now releasing after the "peaceful protests". People breaking windows and doors, pouring into the stores taking  Its ridiculous - and 90+% were black.  People shooting into cars because they have some beef with someone, not caring if they hit and kill kids.  Gun battles on the highways (happened his week).  There are so many blacks in jail because they are committing alot of the crimes and mostly against other black people. 

27 people have been killed in St Louis City alone since Jan 1 by non-police. plus I don't know how many more in Ferguson and all the other towns in our suburbs - but NOT ONE protest or rally on their behalf. 

Yes the police have been petty, in traffic crimes and I find that appalling.

This week someone shot 2 policeman.  that were on duty at the gathering when Ferguson police chief resigned.  When they caught the person several days later, he says he didn't mean to hit them.  You shot at a into a crowd that had policeman near them, what did you think was going to happen.

Police don't find the people responsiblle because no one will talk and then they complain that the police are ineffective?  Unless you want to live in a police state with them at every corner, you're are going to have to help to find the riminals.  And 1 murder does not justify another. 

When black families instill respect in their kids.  Have them graduate from high school, get more training or college to get a decent job and not live in this cycle of poverty and criminal behavior then maybe people will treat them more respectful.

Don't committ the petty crimes and you won't run the risk of getting sent to prison.

 

Washington Post Fact Checker: "Hands up, don't shoot" did not happen in Ferguson edzep - Port Monkey! Mar 22, 06:32

yes, not putting your hands up is a free pass for the cop to shoot you unarmed {nm} professor smartbrain Mar 22, 10:38

'Unarmed' is not relevant when you've gone from robbing a liquor store, to attacking a cop in his car. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Mar 22, 11:55

it's totally relevant when you're 150 feet away from the cop when he shoots you {nm} professor smartbrain Mar 22, 14:59

The Justice Dept. report disagrees with you. edzep - Port Monkey! Mar 22, 15:45

yes the law is overwhelmingly in the favor of police shooting first and asking no questions later {nm} professor smartbrain Mar 22, 19:01

It's been a while, so I don't have a link handy, but he was alot closer than 150 ft. I think less than 50 - maybe as little as 20 feet. At JDolphin Mar 22, 16:37

well that's much better. 20 feet = fire away {nm} professor smartbrain Mar 22, 18:58

So if a 6'2"+, 240lb guy that you've already tussled with and you don't know if he's armed comes at you - what do you do - you have 4 sec to JDolphin Mar 22, 20:00

You Unload the Entire Clip on the Sucker .... unless it is a White Guy, then You use Non-Lethal Means. Ferguson Mayor James Knowles III Mar 22, 22:10

Which actually happened to the neo-Nazi who went on a shooting rampage in Arizona and killed one. {nm} Antibody Mar 23, 11:35

At 20 feet you don't have 4 seconds to decide, much closer to 0.4 seconds to decide AND act. {nm} DTravel Mar 22, 22:39

Thanks - I was being generous. That was the police point. And I stil haven't heard what non-lethal means anyone would use {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 23:09

They don't call that class of weapon "non-lethal". They are "less lethal" (rubber bullets, tasers, beanbag rounds, etc.) DTravel Mar 23, 12:59

Might be new for the rest of the country - but in St Louis, we knew that false a week or two after it happened {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 12:24

And that report came out 3 weeks ago. {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 12:28

oops meant to include the link to the actual report JDolphin Mar 22, 12:29

It's still irrelevant to the main point. {nm} RogerMore Mar 22, 16:56

Which main point is that? {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 17:04

That too many people die from police action, and that the victims are disproportionately African-American. RogerMore Mar 22, 19:46

Okay - I thought this was about the Hands Up part which was false but continually gets perpetuated {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 19:56

No, I'm just saying it's irrelevant. RogerMore Mar 22, 20:24

What injustice? That the person that robbed a store, then tried to take away a policeman's gun was killed. That's perpetuating that lie {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 20:35

I'm sorry he died but he brought it on himself. {nm} JDolphin Mar 22, 20:36

There's the immediate injustice that a person shouldn't die for what he did. RogerMore Mar 22, 21:26

Should the officer die for what the robber did? Are the police allowed to defend their own lives, even if the only way to do so is to kill? {nm} DTravel Mar 22, 22:42

Just one of many, how is this not an EXECUTION? RotoHockeyYTD2013MainPort Mar 22, 23:06

I don't think it's as simple as that. You have to look at ways to change things so confrontations like this don't become life and death. RogerMore Mar 23, 04:18

Police have the authority, but the power to make if life-and-death exists on both "sides". DTravel Mar 23, 13:12

By power I mean `legitimate power` {nm} RogerMore Mar 23, 14:39

(sfek - and that legitimate power means greater obligation. Plus, see my post below for why I think change in policing is the more effective RogerMore Mar 23, 14:40

Yes, he shouldn't have to die for that, but he shouldn't have put himself in that position. And yes the community does have to take JDolphin Mar 22, 23:05

I think it's change in policing that will be a lot more effective. RogerMore Mar 23, 05:11

You're Blaming the Victim. Try this - Make Body-Worn Cameras on Police Mandatory - Reduces Use-Of-Force. RotoHockeyYTD2013MainPort Mar 23, 05:55

Yes and that's sad, but his problems like many start with no decent parental figures. I live in St Louis, 10 miles from Ferguson and his JDolphin Mar 22, 20:26





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