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Even setting aside agreement/disagreement with others' sexuality, there is a more fundamental problem with the bill.

Posted by: DTravel on Mar 28, 13:06 in response to islander's post Absolute garbage if one can discriminate against or fire...

It would in effect remove the rule of law as any group or individual could claim that obeying any particular law or set of laws violates their "sincerely held religious beliefs".  Every religion or individual would be following a different set of laws.  A couple very extreme examples: A radical Muslim kills a Jew or Christian because they are the Muslim equivalent of apostate according to their "sincerely held religious beliefs".  A fundamentalist Christian church member bombs an abortion clinic because their "sincerely held religious beliefs" requires them to stop the murder of innocent unborn souls and send those responsible to Hell.

As I said, extreme examples, but the basic principle is the same, placing the church and religion, ANY church or religion, above the law.

Absolute garbage if one can discriminate against or fire for some supposed "sincerely held beliefs". Period. {nm} islander Mar 28, 09:39

I don't agree with the firing aspect; however, are you saying businesses should never be able to refuse services to another? RollingThunder Mar 28, 09:51

As I understand it, that's not the controversial part of the bill. Of course religious orgs should be able to decline to perform same-sex RogerMore Mar 28, 10:11

I agree with your very well-written points. On that level, I do see how people would abuse the real intent of the Bill. RollingThunder Mar 28, 10:16

if they are a public business, the law is clear that they can't discriminate {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 28, 11:07

Apologies everyone, busy at work! Trying to read thread now :) {nm} islander Mar 28, 13:31

My issue is with the bill because its a bad bill that could lead to worse bills. islander Mar 28, 14:13

All sincerely held beliefs, or only the ones you disagree with? shadowking Mar 28, 10:06

Anti-discrimination laws protect against discrimination based on certain grounds, such as gender, race, sexuality and religion. RogerMore Mar 28, 10:19

To clarify - Content of good required is ok to descriminate upon, purpose/ultimate use of said good not ok to descriminate based on? shadowking Mar 28, 10:41

No, you can discriminate based on content too. "Sorry, we don't stock male-male cake toppers and I won't order them in" is discrimination. RogerMore Mar 28, 12:55

By "you can discriminate based on content", I mean "discriminating based on content is not OK either" {nm} RogerMore Mar 28, 13:10

I assume the goal of the bill is to alter/ammend existing anti-discrimination law, so falling back on those laws as a criteria for shadowking Mar 28, 15:22

My understanding is that this bill wouldn't specifically alter any laws, but it includes a general provision that says something like... RogerMore Mar 28, 16:49

That is not a correct comparison DeanB Mar 28, 10:26

Sadly, this kind of thing has been happening for a long time. The Bill would just allow them to be blunt with their denial of services. {nm} RollingThunder Mar 28, 10:29

i dont think the issues in your first inside line come up much. If that did happen to me, I'd make them but might spit in their cupcakes ;) islander Mar 28, 14:15

At the risk of generalising it seems that a significant percentage of Americans still have a very deep puritanical streak that most of us... hyperzeitgeist Mar 28, 10:20

Thankfully, that percentage is declining annually. {nm} BSmurf Mar 28, 10:50

Europe exorcised all that by shipping the puritanical religious types to North America. DTravel Mar 28, 12:53

Even setting aside agreement/disagreement with others' sexuality, there is a more fundamental problem with the bill. DTravel Mar 28, 13:06

Now, if we could only get all those religions and churches to start paying taxes... {nm} BSmurf Mar 29, 14:25





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