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I'll quote Billy Bob from Bad Santa: "well, they all can't be winners, can they?"

Posted by: Moviesnob on Jun 28, 10:35 in response to chosenone2oo5's post There have been some amazingly innovative, fresh ideas in...

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V: ‘Transformers: Age of Extinction’ Has Year’s Biggest Opening Day, Set for $104 Million Weekend budice Jun 28, 08:36

41.6 estimate box office mojo mishra Jun 28, 09:04

if you take out the midnights, that's just over 6 million more than Captain 2 did on Friday. which hopefully equates to a strong Saturday lobogotti Jun 28, 09:32

maybe but that was less of a sequel {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:37

what was less of a sequel? {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 09:44

I haven't watch alot of those movies but wasn't captain america in a film or two last 5 years? like Avengers or something. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:45

no, that is the 2nd film in the Captain America franchise {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 09:53

lol totally never heard of the first, thought that was the first one. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:57

so that tells me two things about you.... 1st, you're new to the game and 2nd you're not from the US {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 09:59

Played in 2000 2001 and hardly have any movie investments {nm} mishra Jun 28, 10:02

+2. "Like the Avengers or something?" {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:02

I live in US actually mishra Jun 28, 10:17

odd that you play this game and live in the US and never heard of the first Captain America film. $176M BO domestic lobogotti Jun 28, 10:23

Or "Marvel's The Avengers," which came out just 2 years ago and was a $623M titan domestically, #3 all-time. HSX lit up like the sun. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:46

Just worked out that way, some years I see dozens of movies in theatres and some I hardly see any. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 11:20

I did see all 3 ironman ones.....just never got around to pulling out this dvd of Avengers I bought last year. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:46

You probably better comparing T4 to a sequel. {nm} mishra Jun 28, 09:49

Spiderman was a sequel, Captain America was a sequel, Godzilla was a reboot {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 09:52

I will never understand Michael Bay's appeal. This is not Transformers as I know, but a crappy hollowed imitation, so it can't be TFRM fans. chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 09:21

Why don't you tell us how you really feel. lol Was it really that bad? {nm} Dorfman Jun 28, 09:24

It's bad when heavy marketing yells at me that a new "Transformers" movie is coming every 2-3 yrs, and there's no chance I'll enjoy it. chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 09:36

I think paramount is pretty happy with bay and transformers. It's more a question if he wants to come back. {nm} Moviesnob Jun 28, 10:03

If they can afford him. A crap director costs excessive amounts of $$, yet there's talented young up-and-comers that cost much less! chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:10

thats your fanboy talking. it doesnt matter what you want. Think about it from Paramount's point of view. Bay is "talented" and "effective" Moviesnob Jun 28, 10:16

That's only a solid formula until "been there, done that" isn't just something critics say, but fans say too. Any franchise can be worn down {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:22

thats true. Just look at Spiderman. But this one aint there yet. Studios know that franchises go up and down. Moviesnob Jun 28, 10:27

There have been some amazingly innovative, fresh ideas in old franchises recently. I've been impressed all year. But then "Transformers"... chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:31

I'll quote Billy Bob from Bad Santa: "well, they all can't be winners, can they?" Moviesnob Jun 28, 10:35

Thanks for the link!--in context, that's surprisingly fitting. "Transformers" is my advent calendar, & Michael Bay's is just a candy corn. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:50

Who's the more foolish: Michael Bay, or the fools who follow him? I'm boycotting "Transformers: Age of Extinction," I don't count. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 11:01

get used to it, this film will kill it overseas. they have many more sequels to churn out with the same "winning" formula. lobogotti Jun 28, 09:40

I'd hope that Paramount hasn't screwed the "Transformers" name to the point where no reputable director would bother with it. Lol "winning." chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:01

but they see nothing wrong when A- cinema scores and $100M OWs happen. to them the critics need not apply lobogotti Jun 28, 10:07

I wish the darkest nastiest curses, swears & cusses were allowed on the Forum to express how angry I am w/ the paradox of TFRM4's "success." chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:18

Also, quality control has made "Captain America" and "X-Men" now bigger domestically than "Spider-Man." Just a few years ago, Spidey was #1. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:24

LMFAO!!! man, you're VERY upset. it's tough because the quality of story can really be improved, but they release lobogotti Jun 28, 10:32

It's not shocking: there's fanboys from the '80s that deserve better, but they still hope. It's heartbreaking really. Also, on story--> chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:44

Michael Bay is a genius... givin 'em what they want (see inside) lobogotti Jun 28, 10:36

if this graph ain't telling, I don't know what is! {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 10:37

There's just way too many variables to say that is the sole correlation. Cute. I didn't realize there were really that many explosions. chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 10:52

it's a fun graph. That's about it {nm} lobogotti Jun 28, 11:07

Those are awesome, thanks! {nm} tatoufan Jun 28, 16:00

Transformers 3 made over 1b worldwide on a 200m budget. If I were paramount I'd love bay to death. kidico4life2 Jun 28, 10:22

for me, screenwriter Ehren Kruger's quote from the other day sums it up... tealfan Jun 28, 11:05

Right, the guy that said "logical sense doesn't have to be the end-all, be-all" for plots: already proved my point they're lazy amateurs. {nm} chosenone2oo5 Jun 28, 12:51

This was such an entertaining thread to read.. I wish for a good TRFM movie too, but will have to live with explosions i guess {nm} Dorfman Jun 28, 12:17

BO notes TFRM4's Flixster audience score FYI... 15-May-2007 Jun 28, 15:45





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