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NRA on news right now calling for armed guards at schools. What do you think? I agree with this idea. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 08:23

In related news, NRA calling for children to get accustomed to a police state from birth. BSmurf Dec 21, 08:27

They don't need to be posted everywhere. Just knowing there are qualified armed guards at the building will help deter then people. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 08:33

Who is going to pay for it? The NRA? Who is going to pay the increased school insurance premiums from having an armed presence on site? BSmurf Dec 21, 08:36

Is there a price that should not be paid, if it deters future carnage? Insurance might actually go down, not up. elchan Dec 21, 08:44

statistically speaking, your kids are safer in school from a gunman than pretty much anywhere else they could be. BSmurf Dec 21, 08:53

kids are many magnitudes of probability more likely to get shot in a home containing guns than a school without them BSmurf Dec 21, 08:57

First where are these stats? Second it's a bad argument that because we can't get rid of all crazies, that we can attempt to for some. elchan Dec 21, 09:15

Museums, day care centers, restaurants, movie theaters, malls are all places kids artificially come together. Armed guards at McD's? BSmurf Dec 21, 09:37

I don't think that media is blowing it out of proportion, when 26 children are gunned down needlessly. Lack of media coverage ... elchan Dec 21, 10:36

wrong wrong wrong! News outlets sensationalize it for ratings, nothing more. They are NOT altruistic, and contribute to more of these BSmurf Dec 21, 11:52

Actually, if you REALLY wanted to free up some police to do this short-term - legalize marijuana and stop the 'Drug War" BSmurf Dec 21, 12:19

So the stats on school deaths stopped in 2007. So add 15 from Virgina Tech, and now 26 from Newtown. The cycle continues. elchan Dec 21, 12:43

Sigh. You're trying to inject extraneous information and knee-jerk emotional reactions into the debate. How doe that help? BSmurf Dec 21, 13:37

Any death is significant, but the Virginia Tech and Newton victims amount to 14.6% of total since 1992, which is statistically significant. elchan Dec 21, 14:08

Armed guards or police won't deter people in the state of mind to commit them from these kinds of crimes. {nm} DTravel Dec 21, 08:53

Yes, but if it helps to limit their carnage, it's better than nothing. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 09:18

redesign schools so access to outsiders is impossible. look for creative, less intrusive ideas islander Dec 21, 09:29

This is still a band-aid that cannot address the real issue. To redesign 1000s of schools would cost more than treating the mentally ill! {nm} BSmurf Dec 21, 09:38

Again your argument is that we either eradicate it all, or do nothing. This is not valid. Also cost is not an issue. elchan Dec 21, 10:42

people regularly vote down tax increases even if the results are beneficial - better schools, better safety, more convenience. Moviesnob Dec 21, 10:48

One bullet-prood vest for every children! {nm} Antibody Dec 21, 10:53

British TV had to clarify twice that their coverage of the NRA conference was not a spoof. {nm} Moviesnob Dec 21, 11:23

Now that would be intrusive. Nothing stops a parent from buying a vest for their child to put in their locker, just in case. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 12:17

Really? Not that I'm for it, but wouldn't it be just part of the "school uniform"? {nm} Antibody Dec 21, 12:42

It's was BSmurf to brought up the analogy, but you don't need to wear a condom all day, just when it's necessary. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 14:10

I haven't advocated anything other than a sensible approach to dealing with mental illness that doesn't amount to fighting the fire after BSmurf Dec 21, 11:59

Cost is ALWAYS an issue. {nm} DTravel Dec 21, 13:35

Not for parents, who want to keep their children safe. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 13:57

So parents who make a total of $50K per year between the two of them would have no issue paying for a $100K/yr bodyguard for their child? {nm} DTravel Dec 21, 15:24

It would cost that much per family, but parents already get into debt sending their children to university, so, yes. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 16:01

SOME parents can go some tens of thousands in debt to pay for college. Few can go a couple MILLION in debt. DTravel Dec 22, 14:16

Columbine had an armed guard. {nm} avandelay Dec 21, 14:16

Yes, one could wonder how much worse it could have been, if there wasn't any opposition. Fifteen killed with two shooters, and NewTown ... elchan Dec 21, 15:16

There are soooo many ways that comparison doesn't work. DTravel Dec 21, 15:26

i think it's a stupid idea {nm} prisoner 24601 Dec 21, 20:34

Prisoner 24601, you are not in compliance. Your internet allotment for the week has been exceeded. You will now be punished. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 22:41

Thank God I'll be leaving for Yellowstone soon. I kind of come here to get away from news wroberson Dec 25, 01:01

About the closest thing to guns and gun control news stories back in the 80's was wroberson Dec 25, 01:32

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Pill can last 4 hours sometimes -- wouldn't take THAT much! {nm} BSmurf Dec 21, 08:33

You're supposed to go to the hospital, it stays that way for that long. {nm} elchan Dec 21, 08:36

He would have been in the hospital anyways for friction burns. {nm} DTravel Dec 21, 08:54

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"On Friday Mark Sanchez will only have to confront Ageddon, because he has no arm. " Tweet (link) JDolphin Dec 19, 22:35

Anyone know what time zone it's supposed to start in? Maybe Australia is already gone... BSmurf Dec 20, 10:47

Ha ha - thanks for the laugh :) {nm} JDolphin Dec 20, 14:22

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ESPN: Angels Trade Morales to Mariners lapuckfan Dec 19, 16:37

Intersting they dealt within their division. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 16:51

Both teams got pretty good players too. Vargas went 14-11 for a teams that finished 12 games under .500 {nm} lapuckfan Dec 19, 16:54

Does that stick Morales at 1B for the Mariners? Are the Mariners giving up on Smoak? Or do they have Kendry as DH with Montero full-time C? {nm} Paul2k Dec 19, 18:10

I highly doubt Montero will catch full time {nm} slappydavid Dec 20, 13:59

Most likely scenario is Smoak is traded alfpaulytd2012 Dec 20, 15:04

How did we draft? I look at the HSX fantasy league's first round draft in hindsight (hint - its ugly) Moviesnob Dec 19, 11:04

ooh. i love my golden boy :) islander Dec 19, 11:27

I auto drafted and didn't setup my own picks and my own order... I wouldn't have picked Ryan to go third, that's for sure. skamanfu Dec 19, 11:43

in keeper leagues, you cant keep players drafted in the first three rounds, and you lose draft picks if you keep a player (2 rounds higher Moviesnob Dec 19, 12:10

My thoughts about the league setup slappydavid Dec 19, 12:44

thats fine with me {nm} Moviesnob Dec 19, 12:59

I support the commish. you did great job and any decision you make I am good with; maybe an extra draft pick? {nm} damenchipguy Dec 19, 14:13

All sounds good, but did you mean to put 3 WR positions? I think we should cap it at 2 plus the Full Flex. skamanfu Dec 19, 15:49

Just as a frame of reference, here are the QBS that could be protected as keepers and the draft pick lost to keep them Moviesnob Dec 19, 15:48

That is cool, thanks! It was a good redemption season but I fell flat last week. Great season can't wait to do it next year. {nm} damenchipguy Dec 19, 14:10

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I'm a fan of the San Jose Sharks hockey team...most hockey fans know them by just their team color - teal {nm} tealfan Dec 19, 08:33

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Father's name is 'Pro'. Mother's name is 'Minor'. They named me 'ROTO'. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 19, 19:44

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Interesting question! My youngest (of 7) is named Lorne, and has autism...therefore I am for Lorne! {nm} forlorne Dec 20, 07:32

Tim tebow is a waste of time as New York Jets!!! mike255 Dec 19, 06:35

CFL here we go! {nm} slappydavid Dec 19, 07:03

cfl? jaymel Dec 19, 10:01

Does that still exist? slappydavid Dec 19, 15:16

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Re: Guns and crime: The rate of both homicides and shootings has been dramatically decreasing in the U.S. forlorne Dec 18, 07:46

What do you mean "all of the recent mass shootings have taken place specifically where firearms are banned". It's clearly legal to own RogerMore Dec 18, 08:52

specifically, the schools, the particular theater, and the shopping mall all banned firearms, including those with forlorne Dec 18, 11:56

I don't think it's very pragmatic to have loaded firearms in places where there are lots of children - like schools, or theatres. RogerMore Dec 18, 13:07

An interesting article from Ezra Klein of the Washington Post. He addresses Switzerland in a correction piece also linked. Paul2k Dec 18, 09:02

More American Stupidity - richest country in the world - and no Universal HealthCare for its citizens - Pathetic. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 18, 15:13

From wikipedia, crime statistics and gun violence statistics for the U.S. Paul2k Dec 18, 10:38

I'm a pragmatist. It seems abundantly clear laws do not keep guns away from criminals, and random mental illness will always be with us. forlorne Dec 18, 11:58

Hmm. Laws do not keep guns away from ciminals? While that is true, from my perspective, it seems to be the wrong way of looking at it. Paul2k Dec 18, 13:53

Yesterday, someone pulled out a gun at a theater and started shooting. They got one shot off, and someone who had a gun dropped them. forlorne Dec 18, 11:59

That someone was an law enforcement officer, not some random citizen. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 12:02

Pure luck. In his absence, a responsibly armed citizen would have been the next best thing. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 18, 14:51

Since I'm not a gun owner and thus haven't received training that I assume comes with earning a permit, does anyone know how Paul2k Dec 18, 15:11

Requirements vary by state. Some requre yearly yearly renewal, some measure of performance. Others, probably just paperwork. edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 18, 15:40

It's good to hear that the people you know do treat their CCW permits with such seriousness and gravity. One hopes that all others Paul2k Dec 18, 15:47

here are a few answers for you... RazorHawk Dec 18, 18:44

Thanks - it's interesting to see perspectives like this. {nm} RogerMore Dec 18, 19:37

Thank you for taking hte time to explain your situation and experience with guns. It gives me better understanding and context Paul2k Dec 18, 19:39

the reason the proficiency requirement was dropped... RazorHawk Dec 18, 20:27

It would be foolhardy to assume an untrained civilian would get the exact same result. He could have just as well shoot innocent bystanders Antibody Dec 18, 19:43

Waiting for popo is what gets people killed. They can't protect you when bullets start flying. That shooter might have taken out a dozen edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 02:30

Assumptions again. A wild wild west shootout could result in additional victims from an untrained civilians.. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 08:59

Your assumption. Connecticut, say: your assumption is that responsible CCW holder would have blundered into accidentally killing 27 edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 10:06

(scratch 27; make that 26) {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 10:15

You get things like this happening with trained police officers. RogerMore Dec 19, 10:50

Dunno. But, any claim that a CCW holder is likely to have made that situation worse, defies logic. In the meantime, people died while the edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 11:04

I just provided an example of where involvement by trained police officers caused the unintended injury of eight people RogerMore Dec 19, 11:46

You have convinced me that some police officers are so poorly trained, that some private citizens must surely be better. But, seriously, edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 16:50

Aw man, a whole book? Isn't there some sort of Cliff's Notes? I'd like to know why he think rates of gun deaths and gun homicides RogerMore Dec 19, 20:46

I think you may find that edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 20, 04:08

I was reading his blog last night, and it doesn't give me a lot of confidence. RogerMore Dec 20, 07:18

Yes, I'm making another assumption to counter your assumption. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 11:53

Learning how to shoot is not difficult. It requires time and patience. You put too much credit in with the govt {nm} websch01ar Dec 20, 05:42

Again, I must say that the best way to curb these mass killings to limit the fire power. There's absolutely no reason for assault rifles... elchan Dec 18, 20:21

Largest massacre at a school ever didn't even involve guns. Eight pistols or even a good sword could have had same results forlorne Dec 19, 06:02

If you're talking about this one, it was 85 years ago and involved explosives. Are there controls on who can buy explosives? RogerMore Dec 19, 08:23

If explosive regulation is so effective, why are we so afraid of terrorists? {nm} Scorpion Dec 19, 21:40

Why would we use peoples' feelings to measure the effectiveness of regulation? {nm} RogerMore Dec 20, 07:25

My point is that you cant' keep explosives out of a determined persons hands with regulation. Why would guns be different? Scorpion Dec 20, 10:30

I'm seriously tired of seeing the same bad arguments repeated over and over again. My last post on this issue for a while is inside. RogerMore Dec 20, 13:58

Bad arguments, or just ones you don't want to accept? Scorpion Dec 20, 17:04

Heh - I probably shouldn't have checked in on Life board today. But anyway... RogerMore Dec 21, 13:31

if the Jets don't dump Sanchez, they deserve what they get next year. {nm} lobogotti Dec 18, 06:06

As far as I understand, the money needed to dump him makes it unlikely to happen. He just got an extension this past offseason... {nm} slappydavid Dec 18, 06:42

yeah, but if I were them I'd bite the bullet. {nm} lobogotti Dec 18, 07:21

Do they still have to pay him if they cut him? {nm} forlorne Dec 18, 08:22

He's got guaranteed money. Here's a link to a short article explaining the money/salary cap implications of cutting him (inside) slappydavid Dec 18, 08:40

Does his contract require he be a starter? Then keep him as backup in case the new QB gets hurt. {nm} JDolphin Dec 18, 15:21

McElroy has been announced as starter for this weekend. Still I'm guessing Sanchez should get another shot at some point... {nm} slappydavid Dec 18, 17:20

Tebow Curse to the Jets!! {nm} mike255 Dec 18, 08:49

Well done Cowboys now just need the Titans to win for my double to pay out {nm} blaze223 Dec 17, 13:33

LOL...well, you shouldn't have won, but Sanchez (the next Romo) secured it for you. glad to see you did....congrats {nm} lobogotti Dec 18, 06:07

In a just world, the 2013 Emmy for Lead Actress in a Drama Series would go to ... BC Dec 17, 06:59

American Stupidity - Connecticut Shooting - 'If Only Someone Had A Gun'. Cognitive Dissidence & HUFFPOST Links. RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 17, 05:01

I'm willing to consider legislation to limit the acquisition of weaponry that will fire 3 rounds per batch down the road. websch01ar Dec 17, 05:35

I think allowing passions, reasoned passions, to dictate our future is a winning strategy. Blinded passions, passions that are not backed by Paul2k Dec 17, 06:11

Pls note I am not saying to leverage our convictions when making decisions. Rather, it seems folly to rush to make changes just to have websch01ar Dec 17, 07:13

Err...NOT TO Leverage....I encourage people to get involved and take some ownership of a given issue. {nm} websch01ar Dec 17, 07:21

I think it's more correct to say "American voters do not want the measures of gun control that would be necessary to prevent something like RogerMore Dec 17, 08:36

Mexico has more restrictive gun control laws than the U.S....hardly a testament to safety in that country. websch01ar Dec 17, 09:45

RM is correct when he says "there are a range of other factors that also have an impact - poverty, crime, culture, drugs, mental health, Moviesnob Dec 17, 10:11

I think that's an apples and oranges comparison - Mexico has far lower income levels, weaker institutions, criminals fighting over control RogerMore Dec 17, 10:21

This focus on controlling guns is our attempt to understand and control a situation. It makes us feel better that we have responded. {nm} websch01ar Dec 17, 12:44

thats your opinion. I see it as preventive. Its not like gun control debate just started as a reaction to this (or any) criminal act {nm} Moviesnob Dec 17, 12:49

Gun Control creeps up whenever there is mass life loss like this. To disagree with this notion does a disservice to the topic. {nm} websch01ar Dec 18, 07:26

of course it does, but that doesnt mean the debate goes away between acts of mass killings. if you aren't aware of it, then you aren't Moviesnob Dec 18, 10:23

The point is that gun control is not just about "feeling better". It has clear benefits, in the form of fewer gun deaths, as shown in RogerMore Dec 17, 14:21

I'm not ignoring it. I'm waiting on proof. All you have offered thus far is your opinion. websch01ar Dec 18, 07:23

There's plenty of evidence that the rate of gun deaths is significantly higher in the US than other countries, that gun control is RogerMore Dec 18, 08:34

Controlling guns should be our attempt to protect lives, the same way the Government controls car safety, food safety, drug safety...etc. {nm} Antibody Dec 17, 16:17

There already is gun control legislation. We should work on fixing the implementation of it rather than giving the administration as pass websch01ar Dec 18, 07:25

A complete ban on assault rifles would have prevented higher death toll. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 09:48

A safe assumption, but who knows the lengths the deranged will go to. {nm} websch01ar Dec 18, 11:24

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