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Israel has an *obligation* to defend itself, not a *right*. In that regard, the State Department errs greatly.

Posted by: accountant_4_Jesus (a.k.a ) on Nov 16, 07:54 in response to websch01ar's post From the State Department

Hamas deliberately sets up their rocket firing stations in the middle of civilian centres, and in some cases right near hospitals, etc, so that when the Israelis bomb them in retaliation for the rockets that they continually fire daily into Israel, the (biased) mainstream media can show the images of the civilians killed in the Israeli airstrikes and cry out about how bad Israel is... neglecting to mention how many rockets Hamas actually fired into Israeli civilian centres over the past few months beforehand that warranted the airstrike in the first place.

"If the Arabs (Muslims) put down their weapons today there would be no more violence.  If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel."   Shira Sorko-Ram   Maoz Israel newsletter May 2004

Should the Hamas leadership be brought up on war crimes for launching military weapons at civilian populations? {nm} websch01ar Nov 15, 11:56

Hmmm. Wonder what the USA would do if Mexico kept lobbing rockets into Texas. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Nov 15, 12:14

did the Mexicans have their land along the Texas border taken without their consent to establish a . . . oh wait {nm} mickpix Nov 15, 16:12

Lets not over-commit to this logic. Palenstians have been kicked out of places like Jordan for a long time. websch01ar Nov 16, 04:30

I think Israel prefers assassinations. {nm} Antibody Nov 15, 15:00

And you can prove that it was them? {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Nov 15, 15:10

Yes, IDF posted it on Youtube Antibody Nov 15, 18:42

Your point? This is a fair military objective carried out with precision. It honors the Geneva accords perfectly. {nm} websch01ar Nov 16, 04:31

Israel prefers assassinations than trials for war crimes. {nm} Antibody Nov 16, 08:56

Obama prefers Drones...is there a point here? {nm} websch01ar Nov 16, 09:36

Yes, there is a point there. Are you purposely ignoring the point or just tring to pick a fight? {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:42

My dad is one of them. He's in Beersheba at the moment {nm} Moviesnob Nov 15, 16:03

Since when was bombing civilians a war crime? It was done in WWII, and in every war since. {nm} elchan Nov 15, 17:35

Israeli airstrikes have also killed civilians, including a 11-month baby. {nm} Antibody Nov 15, 18:58

It's the reality of war in the modern era. War in the 18th century was more civilized. {nm} elchan Nov 15, 19:04

Wars in the 18th century had lots of empty room to have their battles in. {nm} DTravel Nov 15, 19:57

Don't forget the Sabra & Shatila Massacre as depicted in the outstanding film 'Waltz With Bashir'. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Nov 15, 21:27

When a civilian area is used for military purposes, under International law it loses its civilian classification. No one likes to see a websch01ar Nov 16, 04:35

Neither side is completely innocent just as UN's Goldstone Report commission found about last Gaza conflict in 2008. {nm} Antibody Nov 16, 09:02

So a soveriegn nation does not have the right to react according to International Law? That is your position? websch01ar Nov 16, 09:37

I'm just stop responding to your trolling. {nm} Antibody Nov 16, 10:24

This is just laziness on your part. Clearly make an argument rather than using talking points here. {nm} websch01ar Nov 19, 07:53

Why are you putting words in his mouth. Clearly, neither side is innocent. Period. If you don't like reading it, go change history. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:46

Ahh here is an interesting point of conflict between us. I do not see how Israel is guilty in this exchange. websch01ar Nov 19, 07:52

Well, if you looked back further than a week in history, you might see it differently. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 19, 12:24

I see Israel as a nation with an obligation to defend its borders. We should look at the current conflict in current context, not associate websch01ar Nov 20, 05:54

I said nothing of the sort regarding MY beliefs. Now you are projecting to bait. Uninterested. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 20, 16:41

That's true, but it's combattant and non-combattant status. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:44

1899? mickpix Nov 16, 02:18

It is a war crime when ppl dressed as civilians target civilian areas. Period. Go read International Law. {nm} websch01ar Nov 16, 04:32

Civilian deaths are inevitable collateral damage in war. Targetting civilian non-combattants is a crime. Do some research. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:31

Since 1956. More... PVL Admin Nov 17, 22:18

I agree. Pls find the portions of the laws that indicate what happens when a civilian location is used as a military websch01ar Nov 19, 07:55

I did not disagree with this in your post. Why are you arguing this? Some people just can't take YES for an answer ;) {nm} PVL Admin Nov 19, 12:41

From the State Department websch01ar Nov 16, 04:58

Israel has an *obligation* to defend itself, not a *right*. In that regard, the State Department errs greatly. accountant_4_Jesus Nov 16, 07:54

I agree with your IM, but disagree with you title post. A cointry has the RIGHT to defend its borders against agression. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:34

There is a big difference in the meanings of the two words, as I shall demonstrate. accountant_4_Jesus Nov 18, 17:28

(Reposted with better formatting here) accountant_4_Jesus Nov 18, 17:34

A4J, I understand your dictionary definitions; however, the issue of rights and obligations extends beyond the accademic. PVL Admin Nov 19, 13:03





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