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Posted by: accountant_4_Jesus (a.k.a ) on Nov 18, 17:34 in response to accountant_4_Jesus' post There is a big difference in the meanings of the two...

noun

1. something by which a person is bound or obliged to do certain things, and which arises out of a sense of duty or results from custom, law, etc.

2. something that is done or is to be done for such reasons: to fulfill one's obligations.

3. a binding promise, contract, sense of duty, etc.

4. the act of binding or obliging oneself by a promise, contract, etc.

5. Law:

a. an agreement enforceable by law, originally applied to promises under seal.

b. a document containing such an agreement.

c. a bond containing a penalty, with a condition annexed for payment of money, performance of covenants, etc.

Right
noun

18. a just claim or title, whether legal, prescriptive, or moral: You have a right to say what you please.

19. Sometimes, rights. that which is due to anyone by just claim, legal guarantees, moral principles, etc.: women's rights; Freedom of speech is a right of all Americans.

20. adherence or obedience to moral and legal principles and authority.

21. that which is morally, legally, or ethically proper: to know right from wrong.

22. a moral, ethical, or legal principle considered as an underlying cause of truth, justice, morality, or ethics.

A right pertains to personal individual freedoms granted by law (the right to own private property, the right to own guns, the right to free speech, the right to a fair trial, etc). An obligation (in this context) pertains to certain duties that are expected of a nation. A nation is obligated to defend its borders against aggression in order to preserve the freedom and/or lives of the people living within. It is not the same as a right in the sense that rights can be taken away from people and/or nations by the acts and laws of other people and/or nations (an example would be how the rights of the Jews were slowly taken away during the reign of the Nazis in Germany, or how the rights of the Germans to produce guns, munitions, tanks, etc were taken away from them by the League of Nations shortly after World War I). If we go down the road of saying that a certain nation has a right to defend itself, it then falls on people and nations other than that nation to determine if that right is valid, and if it is found invalid, then that right is stripped from them (such as the example with Germany and the League of Nations). If we go down the road of saying that a certain nation has an obligation to defend itself, the very fact of the nation's existence proves that obligation beyond a shadow of a doubt. One relies on the judgement of external parties and law (a right), the other relies on the party's mere existence (an obligation). I have the right to private property, but I have an obligation to care for my family. A nation has a right to produce goods and/or services that will benefit the citizens of that nation, but it has an obligation to defend itself. The two aren't the same.

Should the Hamas leadership be brought up on war crimes for launching military weapons at civilian populations? {nm} websch01ar Nov 15, 11:56

Hmmm. Wonder what the USA would do if Mexico kept lobbing rockets into Texas. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Nov 15, 12:14

did the Mexicans have their land along the Texas border taken without their consent to establish a . . . oh wait {nm} mickpix Nov 15, 16:12

Lets not over-commit to this logic. Palenstians have been kicked out of places like Jordan for a long time. websch01ar Nov 16, 04:30

I think Israel prefers assassinations. {nm} Antibody Nov 15, 15:00

And you can prove that it was them? {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Nov 15, 15:10

Yes, IDF posted it on Youtube Antibody Nov 15, 18:42

Your point? This is a fair military objective carried out with precision. It honors the Geneva accords perfectly. {nm} websch01ar Nov 16, 04:31

Israel prefers assassinations than trials for war crimes. {nm} Antibody Nov 16, 08:56

Obama prefers Drones...is there a point here? {nm} websch01ar Nov 16, 09:36

Yes, there is a point there. Are you purposely ignoring the point or just tring to pick a fight? {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:42

My dad is one of them. He's in Beersheba at the moment {nm} Moviesnob Nov 15, 16:03