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Why are you putting words in his mouth. Clearly, neither side is innocent. Period. If you don't like reading it, go change history. {nm}

Posted by: PVL Admin (a.k.a Rocket123) on Nov 17, 21:46 in response to websch01ar's post So a soveriegn nation does not have the right to react...

Should the Hamas leadership be brought up on war crimes for launching military weapons at civilian populations? {nm} websch01ar Nov 15, 11:56

Hmmm. Wonder what the USA would do if Mexico kept lobbing rockets into Texas. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Nov 15, 12:14

did the Mexicans have their land along the Texas border taken without their consent to establish a . . . oh wait {nm} mickpix Nov 15, 16:12

Lets not over-commit to this logic. Palenstians have been kicked out of places like Jordan for a long time. websch01ar Nov 16, 04:30

I think Israel prefers assassinations. {nm} Antibody Nov 15, 15:00

And you can prove that it was them? {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Nov 15, 15:10

Yes, IDF posted it on Youtube Antibody Nov 15, 18:42

Your point? This is a fair military objective carried out with precision. It honors the Geneva accords perfectly. {nm} websch01ar Nov 16, 04:31

Israel prefers assassinations than trials for war crimes. {nm} Antibody Nov 16, 08:56

Obama prefers Drones...is there a point here? {nm} websch01ar Nov 16, 09:36

Yes, there is a point there. Are you purposely ignoring the point or just tring to pick a fight? {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:42

My dad is one of them. He's in Beersheba at the moment {nm} Moviesnob Nov 15, 16:03

Since when was bombing civilians a war crime? It was done in WWII, and in every war since. {nm} elchan Nov 15, 17:35

Israeli airstrikes have also killed civilians, including a 11-month baby. {nm} Antibody Nov 15, 18:58

It's the reality of war in the modern era. War in the 18th century was more civilized. {nm} elchan Nov 15, 19:04

Wars in the 18th century had lots of empty room to have their battles in. {nm} DTravel Nov 15, 19:57

Don't forget the Sabra & Shatila Massacre as depicted in the outstanding film 'Waltz With Bashir'. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Nov 15, 21:27

When a civilian area is used for military purposes, under International law it loses its civilian classification. No one likes to see a websch01ar Nov 16, 04:35

Neither side is completely innocent just as UN's Goldstone Report commission found about last Gaza conflict in 2008. {nm} Antibody Nov 16, 09:02

So a soveriegn nation does not have the right to react according to International Law? That is your position? websch01ar Nov 16, 09:37

I'm just stop responding to your trolling. {nm} Antibody Nov 16, 10:24

This is just laziness on your part. Clearly make an argument rather than using talking points here. {nm} websch01ar Nov 19, 07:53

Why are you putting words in his mouth. Clearly, neither side is innocent. Period. If you don't like reading it, go change history. PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:46

Ahh here is an interesting point of conflict between us. I do not see how Israel is guilty in this exchange. websch01ar Nov 19, 07:52

Well, if you looked back further than a week in history, you might see it differently. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 19, 12:24

I see Israel as a nation with an obligation to defend its borders. We should look at the current conflict in current context, not associate websch01ar Nov 20, 05:54

I said nothing of the sort regarding MY beliefs. Now you are projecting to bait. Uninterested. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 20, 16:41

That's true, but it's combattant and non-combattant status. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:44

1899? mickpix Nov 16, 02:18

It is a war crime when ppl dressed as civilians target civilian areas. Period. Go read International Law. {nm} websch01ar Nov 16, 04:32

Civilian deaths are inevitable collateral damage in war. Targetting civilian non-combattants is a crime. Do some research. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:31

Since 1956. More... PVL Admin Nov 17, 22:18

I agree. Pls find the portions of the laws that indicate what happens when a civilian location is used as a military websch01ar Nov 19, 07:55

I did not disagree with this in your post. Why are you arguing this? Some people just can't take YES for an answer ;) {nm} PVL Admin Nov 19, 12:41

From the State Department websch01ar Nov 16, 04:58

Israel has an *obligation* to defend itself, not a *right*. In that regard, the State Department errs greatly. accountant_4_Jesus Nov 16, 07:54

I agree with your IM, but disagree with you title post. A cointry has the RIGHT to defend its borders against agression. {nm} PVL Admin Nov 17, 21:34

There is a big difference in the meanings of the two words, as I shall demonstrate. accountant_4_Jesus Nov 18, 17:28

(Reposted with better formatting here) accountant_4_Jesus Nov 18, 17:34

A4J, I understand your dictionary definitions; however, the issue of rights and obligations extends beyond the accademic. PVL Admin Nov 19, 13:03





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