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Mass shootings in the US typically happen in "gun-free zones".

Posted by: accountant_4_Jesus (a.k.a ) on Feb 19, 14:30 in response to RotoHockeyYTD2013's post Pay attention. Those mass shootings weapons were mostly...

Columbine was a "gun-free zone". Sandy Hook was a "gun-free zone". The theatre in Aurora was a "gun-free zone". See here and here.

You'll find that law-abiding citizens who are allowed to freely carry guns stop mass shootings before they become mass shootings. Here are just a few examples. The only reason that things like that actually become mass shootings is because the victims aren't able to fight back. The crazy criminals aren't stupid; they only go after supposed weaklings who don't have weapons to fight back. Banning all guns just makes ordinary law-abiding citizens easy targets for deranged criminals, who have consistently shown their contempt for the law by obtaining guns and other weapons regardless of any restrictions in the law already in place for those types of weapons. What makes us think that restricting them further is going to do anything but disarm the law-abiding citizens of the nation and make them even easier targets?

The reason that mass shootings are becoming a more common occurrence has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the availability of guns in the US. It has everything to do with the shift in worldview of the people of the US. In the 1950's mass shootings were almost non-existent, and yet they had exactly the same availability of guns back then. So why the change? It's because the society of the US itself has changed. The family unit is basically destroyed; the government is teaching a horrible worldview that has no moral absolutes to children in public schools; people are taught to lay blame for their actions on everyone and everything (including mental illnesses) but themselves; there is no respect for another person's life anymore because of what people have been taught to believe...

Guns are only a problem in the hands of criminals. Banning the guns won't solve that problem, because the issue doesn't come from the guns themselves, it comes from the criminal's heart. Legislation can never be passed to change someone's heart. If someone's heart is hard set against the law, no amount of additional legislation is going to change that. So legislating more gun bans will not solve anything either. It will only strip freedoms away from law-abiding citizens because of the actions of a few crazy criminals (which when you think about it logically is not even remotely just) and make ordinary law-abiding citizens more easy targets.

Country music star Mindy McCready commits suicide. Vashta Nerada Feb 17, 18:39

Hmmm - person with documented mental illness in possession of a gun - where have we heard that before. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Feb 17, 23:54

on reruns of Canadian TV show Flashpoint (on Ion Cable Network) {nm} RazorHawk Feb 18, 06:04

Endless array of mass shootings in the USA with automatic weapons. Pay attention. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Feb 18, 12:14

They're not "automatic". If you're going to spew your "righteousness", get it right. Else you just look stupid. {nm} Scorpion Feb 18, 17:40

Pay attention. Those mass shootings weapons were mostly semi-automatic or fully automatic weapons. RotoHockeyYTD2013 Feb 18, 20:27

Name a recent mass shooting where a fully automatic weapon was used in the US. Cause I think you're the one that needs to pay attention {nm} Scorpion Feb 19, 05:12

I'm guessing it's pretty rare, since fully automatic weapons are so tightly regulated. {nm} RogerMore Feb 19, 07:05

There's 240,000 fully automatic machine guns registered in private hands in the U.S. Expensive, but not difficult to obtain. Scorpion Feb 19, 13:24

So you obviously agree that making guns slightly harder to get hold of = fewer shootings. That's great! {nm} RogerMore Feb 19, 13:33

No, I do not agree with you. And it's clear that your argument using machine guns is so utterly baseless it's ludicrous. {nm} Scorpion Feb 19, 15:12

I'm confused. Your argument was that fully automatic weapons are rarely used in mass shootings. You agree that automatic weapons are more RogerMore Feb 19, 15:22

Yet, making a semi-auto weapon full auto is trivial for anyone that can use a power tool & the Internet. Scorpion Feb 19, 16:01

That completely avoids my simple question. RogerMore Feb 19, 19:55

And you're avoiding the fact that they were rarely used even before the regulations were tightened in the 1980's. Scorpion Feb 19, 22:10

I'm not trying to get you to agree with me - I just want you to understand how bad your argument is. RogerMore Feb 20, 06:43

I've given you perfectly viable reasons why you're premise isn't as solid as you think it is, you simple don't want to hear it. Scorpion Feb 20, 10:20

I should clarify a few things here... RogerMore Feb 20, 12:30

Mass shootings in the US typically happen in "gun-free zones". accountant_4_Jesus Feb 19, 14:30

Mass shootings are a far bigger problem in the United States than other countries. Why do you think this is so? RogerMore Feb 19, 15:54

There are a few reasons, most of which are controversial and I don't want to go into at this point in time. accountant_4_Jesus Feb 19, 16:03

You can email me if you want to keep it off the boards - but if not, have you been to America? RogerMore Feb 19, 20:34

Try comparing countries of similar populations and population densities. {nm} Scorpion Feb 19, 16:07

These are all liberal, urbanised democracies based on shared philosophies like the rule of law, liberty, freedom to live your life RogerMore Feb 19, 20:07

Your examples included robberies (which are not mass shootings) and some of the armed citizens are off-duty/retired police officers. {nm} Antibody Feb 19, 16:55

As John McClane is fond of saying, 'If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem'. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Feb 18, 12:21

Hmmm. Funny you'd say that... {nm} eyescovered Feb 19, 09:15

Sad story. It's ok she off'ed herself, did she have to off the dog, as well? Plenty of people would be willing to take it in. {nm} elchan Feb 18, 09:05

Life is precious and irreplaceable however, people are not {nm} wroberson Feb 19, 00:15





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