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So you're saying that American Pharoah and Secretariat weren't true champions because they didn't race on turf?...

Posted by: hyperzeitgeist on May 08, 06:18 in response to blaze223's post Until the horse is run at say Epsom,Ascot,Newmarket or...

The corollary of your argument is that neither Frankel or Mill Reef were true champions as they didn't race on dirt! Of course it's always difficult to draw a direct line of comparison as the two surfaces require different preparation, riding tactics and there is considerable evidence that the two disciplines require an entirely different genetic make-up. Trust me when I say that I have been watching thoroughbred racing for a very long time and have learned to recognise true champions wherever they race. Which is not to say that American dirt-track horses can't succeed on turf - you only have to look at Wesley Ward's track record with 2 year-olds at Royal Ascot.

Mario Gutierrez gives Nyquist a superb ride to win the Kentucky Derby. Horse 8 for 8, Jockey 2 for in the Derby!... hyperzeitgeist May 07, 15:59

Jockey *2 for 2* in Derby. {nm} hyperzeitgeist May 07, 16:00

Until the horse is run at say Epsom,Ascot,Newmarket or Longchamp cannot be a true champion. {nm} blaze223 May 08, 05:36

So you're saying that American Pharoah and Secretariat weren't true champions because they didn't race on turf?... hyperzeitgeist May 08, 06:18

Everything in USA is left handed oval,need to experience many types of course to prove how good horse really is. {nm} blaze223 May 08, 06:45

So You're Saying that Usain Bolt needs to Compete in the Decathlon to see how Good he Really is. {nm} Captain Obvious May 08, 06:57

Actually I was only talking horses but all Epsom winners should go to the Arc at Longchamp same distance different challange {nm} blaze223 May 08, 07:15

Perhaps all Epsom Derby winners should be required to run in the Cheltenham Gold Cup :p {nm} hyperzeitgeist May 08, 07:04

You could argue the same point about IndyCar Vs F1 which would be equally fatuous. {nm} hyperzeitgeist May 08, 07:15

Waiting for the Oxford - Cambridge Canoe Race. {nm} Captain Obvious May 08, 07:36

Rowing and it was last month so it will be a while....... {nm} blaze223 May 08, 08:06

Fastball - Right Over the Head. Need the Canoe Race to see how Good they Really are. {nm} Captain Obvious May 08, 08:13

Well done but considering how many sports Cambridge/Oxford compete in,this might happen. {nm} blaze223 May 08, 10:16

Waiting for the Phil Taylor - Raymond van Barneveld Lawn Darts Match to see how Good they Really are. {nm} Captain Obvious May 08, 08:16





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