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legally/philosophically, i'd say personal self defense is not the premise of 2d Amendment (although Heller dubiously states otherwise). but

Posted by: slipping jimmy (a.k.a mickpix) on Mar 27, 14:01 in response to Moviesnob's post but a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment goes against a...

as a practical/political measure, there are no actual "moderates" in the debate anyway. if there were genuine moderates willing to accept "common sense" "bipartisan" "sensible" reforms, Manchin-Toomey would have passed long ago. there is actually no reform or control legislation, no matter how small or incremental, that can ever pass so long as the NRA keeps its grip on legislators. 

(i'd personally prefer a SCOTUS that takes the opporutnity to merely overturn Heller and adopt a more honest, narrow textual interpretation of the Second Amendment, versus outright repeal. that would be enough to allow the mythical "sensible" reforms to ever pass if a legislature was so inclined.  absent that though, if it's a choice between nothing and repeal, which is where things seem to stand today, i'll take repeal)

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment Antibody Mar 27, 10:41

this just gives the NRA and the GOP more talking points. IMO it shouldnt be about repealing 2A, it should be about sensible gun control {nm} Moviesnob Mar 27, 11:06

they'll always have their talking points no matter what the other side proposes. we've been waiting 20 years for "sensible" gun laws. slipping jimmy Mar 27, 11:48

but a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment goes against a person's right of self defense - thats a line a lot of moderates will never cross {nm} Moviesnob Mar 27, 13:15

legally/philosophically, i'd say personal self defense is not the premise of 2d Amendment (although Heller dubiously states otherwise). but slipping jimmy Mar 27, 14:01

right to bear arms at its core is about the right to self defense. Not at the founding, the authors were terrified of standing armies, but Moviesnob Mar 27, 14:16

There are moderates, they are just scared to speak because of the extremes or (inside) DTravel Mar 28, 09:37

if you don't actually cast moderate votes, you're not really a moderate {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 28, 11:22

how about they just read the whole thing and enforce the "well regulated" part of it? {nm} lapuckfan Mar 27, 12:21

that's not necessarily inconsistent with the holding of Heller (though I would overturn Heller all things being equal). legislatures still slipping jimmy Mar 27, 12:28

WP: Survey finds 21% of American favor repeal; 46% favor modifying 2nd Amendment Antibody Mar 27, 13:22

Force everyone to turn in their modern guns for muskets. Mass shootings would take forever {nm} islndr Mar 27, 14:23





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