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right to bear arms at its core is about the right to self defense. Not at the founding, the authors were terrified of standing armies, but

Posted by: Moviesnob on Mar 27, 14:16 in response to slipping jimmy's post legally/philosophically, i'd say personal self defense is...

its pretty common for both in arguments in court and in judgements from courts that the right of self defense is referred to as a costituional right via 2A

And honestly all or nothing debates will really get us nowhere. I realize thats where we are, but its easier for me to imagine control than trading one extreme for another.Ā 

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment Antibody Mar 27, 10:41

this just gives the NRA and the GOP more talking points. IMO it shouldnt be about repealing 2A, it should be about sensible gun control {nm} Moviesnob Mar 27, 11:06

they'll always have their talking points no matter what the other side proposes. we've been waiting 20 years for "sensible" gun laws. slipping jimmy Mar 27, 11:48

but a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment goes against a person's right of self defense - thats a line a lot of moderates will never cross {nm} Moviesnob Mar 27, 13:15

legally/philosophically, i'd say personal self defense is not the premise of 2d Amendment (although Heller dubiously states otherwise). but slipping jimmy Mar 27, 14:01

right to bear arms at its core is about the right to self defense. Not at the founding, the authors were terrified of standing armies, but Moviesnob Mar 27, 14:16

There are moderates, they are just scared to speak because of the extremes or (inside) DTravel Mar 28, 09:37

if you don't actually cast moderate votes, you're not really a moderate {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 28, 11:22

how about they just read the whole thing and enforce the "well regulated" part of it? {nm} lapuckfan Mar 27, 12:21

that's not necessarily inconsistent with the holding of Heller (though I would overturn Heller all things being equal). legislatures still slipping jimmy Mar 27, 12:28

WP: Survey finds 21% of American favor repeal; 46% favor modifying 2nd Amendment Antibody Mar 27, 13:22

Force everyone to turn in their modern guns for muskets. Mass shootings would take forever {nm} islndr Mar 27, 14:23





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