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Well.. First of all, an intellectual does not have to be an academic. They can be self-trained. Just an aware individual. Secondly, I see
academic discipline of art, as a collective effort, and not individual. So, I or a professor or anyone, has subjective opinion, but when the professor acts as professor, he or she must follow the rules set by the collective. It's the same in any academic discipline, isn't it.. If you are a judge in a court of law, you can't decide sentencing subjectively - you must follow standards. Regardless of what you yourself feel about the case.
And I am no scholar in the field, but it's clear to me that the creators of film product choose from different menus - depending on whether they are making a commercial product, intended to sell, or whether they want to create art (which is meant to provoke critical thought). There is a distinct difference, and it takes no genius to see that there's a difference. But in the grand scheme of things, I guess it all can be plotted into a sliding scale, or into graphs.
The Help seemed no more like a work of art to me, than a pulp fiction novel would (one of the sentimental kind), and it's also based on a work of fiction. As a commercial piece of work, however, it excells.
Now, I can't guarantee that it will get the Oscar for best picture, but I would bet both house and property that it'll get nominated. (It will also probably be among the favourites, but the Awards Ceremony is over half a year away, and now we're reading that The Descendants seem to have about the same effect on audiences as The Help has.. So, we'll see.)
@giteshpandya FRI BO: #Help $3.63M, #Apollo18 $2.84M, #SharkNight $2.8M, Debt $2.61M, Colombiana $2M, Apes $1.85M. Sep 03, 09:01
THELP isn't that impressive. Its holds are good but in a different time of year, it wouldn't have a shot at number 1 Sep 03, 09:11
It couldn't compete with most films released during the heart of summer. {nm} Sep 03, 09:45
funny - it just did. and since when is a multiplier of over 4 - 4.5 (depending on how you calculate) not impressive? Sep 03, 09:54
Oh poor you. Can't handle people that don't agree with you. {nm} Sep 03, 09:57
And August is hardly the heart of summer. More like the end. {nm} Sep 03, 09:58
yeah - wah me. Sep 03, 10:08
Why can't you handle negativity? Have you watched the news lately? There's more of that than positivity, to be sure. {nm} Sep 03, 10:10
oh ok. Sep 03, 10:20
Oh poor you. You can't see that THELP has been impressive and thoroughly whupped your beloved horror movies. {nm} Sep 03, 10:01
Stick to chick flicks then. Leave the fun movies R-rated movies for those that can enjoy them. {nm} Sep 03, 10:03
Hooray for ad hominem attacks! I bow to you and your wisdom. {nm} Sep 03, 10:09
I have no problem with your opinion and feelings on the movie. Heck, if I were to watch it, I might feel the same way. Sep 03, 10:24
Believe it or not, movies are made by people intending to make a living i.e. a profit. By the very Sep 03, 10:24
If anything, fringe movies are more likely to make a profit because they're a lot cheaper than mainstream films. Sep 03, 10:29
Most of the films on this list of the 10 most profitable movies of all time are "fringe" Sep 03, 10:50
And this one Sep 03, 10:52
And their names are..............? {nm} Sep 03, 10:52
More than half your list is definitely fringe. Horror films are always fringe. They define fringe entertainment. {nm} Sep 03, 11:03
and as far as" the heart of summer", August 6th was exactly the middle of summer. THELP was released on the 10th. As Sep 03, 10:32
Sure. I am saying that movies are entertainment. You seem to be claiming there is some objective definition of great art. Sep 03, 11:23
"slick and cunning"=those that make movies that don't appeal to you. "cutting edge & creative"=movies that do Sep 03, 11:06
Why is it "appaling" that some people want to be emotionally moved by their entertainment? {nm} Sep 03, 11:07
Incidentally, more than half of 20= 11 or more. 11 or more of that list, even by your new definition, are not fringe. {nm} Sep 03, 11:17
Alctually you stated "fringe movies" were far more likely to make a profit than mainstream, so what Sep 03, 11:29
Facto {nm} Sep 03, 13:42
whoops..Facto: I do NOT distinguish between entertainment and art, unless you mean something like the Sep 03, 13:46
Facto: so you are saying professors and students of art determine what is art and what is entertainment? Sep 03, 16:07
No TV in your house???!?! {nm} Sep 03, 14:35
Harry: We have a TV, but it serves only as a monitor for DVDs or video games, no broadcast TV, cable, satellite etc. Sep 03, 15:59
Re: Facto Sep 03, 13:49
And there will always be fringe horror movies just like there will always be middlebrow crowdpleasers. {nm} Sep 03, 14:12
Fine, but I still don't see what makes The Help so "detrimental". {nm} Sep 03, 15:04
Facto: movies are NOT real life. None of them. Even if they were, they would only be of the real life of Sep 03, 18:06
Sure, or I mean, could be, but it would've never beaten Pirates, or Thor, or TF3, or any other huge blockbuster. {nm} Sep 03, 17:55
I would like someone to explain the rationale that totally ignores older intellegent adults from the multiplex for 3 months? Sep 03, 10:46
"Harry Warden" {nm} Sep 03, 10:51
This is truly absurd. {nm} Sep 03, 12:05
ditto. {nm} Sep 03, 12:11
What is absurd? {nm} Sep 03, 12:53
Calling The Help's performance "not that impressive." {nm} Sep 03, 17:13
What does whether it's #1 or not have to do with whether the movie is a success? Sep 03, 18:31
D'oh... *paragraph* !! ;-p {nm} Sep 03, 19:17
Facto: Re your debate with forlorne: Sep 04, 05:38
Well.. First of all, an intellectual does not have to be an academic. They can be self-trained. Just an aware individual. Secondly, I see Sep 04, 06:18
Don't worry about the typos etc. I'm not picky, and I could still understand you. {nm} Sep 04, 07:06