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Thanks for articulating your thoughts and analysis. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced by your arguments. Probably because I have my head up

Posted by: Paul2k on Sep 09, 22:06 in response to eallensbp's post Paul2k, here is the link to an update of our conversation...

my butt, and not in the sand. Although, I am sitting in a sandbox, so it's LIKE I have my head in the sand. :)

I read those two articles and the 9 comments between them, only one of which indicated that he was interested in seeing the movie because of the buzz, and I couldn't tell what ethnicity he was. Neither article convinced me that this was breaking out outside of the Latino community, or that it was gaining traction in the african-american, white, and indian communities. I also don't see how people chatting about it en masse on twitter, but that mass being mainly confined to the hispanic community, is any sign of it busting out in the next few weeks either. I reach my conclusions, you reach yours, no problem. But treating your conclusions as the only right conclusions and making statements that echo that certainty rings of hubris.

Look, I'm not saying that ININC isn't a success story, or that it won't go gangbusters over the next few weeks. I'm more cautious than you about making bold predictions based on "budding patterns that...are clearly identifiable" after 2 weekends of platform release. I'm probably not intuitive enough like you. ;)

There are certainly examples of culturally-focused movies reaching a pan-ethnic/cultural audience and achieving great legs such as The Help, BUTLR, Precious, Pan's Labyrinth, Crouching Tiger; and each year has plenty of examples of WOM breakouts (WEMIL and BUTLR from August alone) and platforming success stories (BLUJM). You probably didn't have to reach all the way back to Blair Witch and A Fish Called Wanda for your examples.

Aside- am I wrong, or did I read a defensive and condescending tone in your reply? If I pushed you to that, my apologies.

** This post has been removed by the forum moderator! ** badvladdy Sep 09, 18:07

Old news. If you read the entire article, it indicates that this was from when Scorcese was doing rounds for Hugo a few years ago. {nm} Paul2k Sep 09, 18:11

Paul2k, here is the link to an update of our conversation on ININC in this IM. Hoping you find the response adequate. eallensbp Sep 09, 20:50

Thanks for articulating your thoughts and analysis. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced by your arguments. Probably because I have my head up Paul2k Sep 09, 22:06

THERADISH: Don't forget 'Jackass 5: High IQ' for PHD's, Scientists & NASA Employees. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2013 Sep 09, 22:31

Hey Paul, what a well thought out response. Yes, you read my response wrong if you detected condescension or defensive posturing. More . . . eallensbp Sep 09, 22:56

Pantelion is a division of Lionsgate {nm} Moviesnob Sep 09, 23:12

BOM has a series of tables showing second weekend increases (i.e. smallest drops) for films opening with more than 600 screens. second gary Sep 10, 04:12

Good point second gary, but I got confused when you said Shrek was at #172. Granted, I clicked on Super Saturated and saw Shrek at #11. eallensbp Sep 10, 07:20

You're right, Snob. I don't know this for a fact, but Pantelion is to Lionsgate what Codeblack is to same company, I believe. {nm} eallensbp Sep 10, 07:03

Examples of movies that had second (or later) weekends greater than than the 1st (or previous) from last year include: {nm} Paul2k Sep 10, 08:30

Whoops. Cont'd inside- Paul2k Sep 10, 08:38

Here's some data to bolster the fact that ININC isn't your typical platform success. Just pulling a few titles from this year Paul2k Sep 10, 12:13

Thanks Paul2k. That's what I was trying to establish, and of those examples you outlined ININC will outgross all of them this week. Crazy! {nm} eallensbp Sep 10, 22:55





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