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Re: Guns and crime: The rate of both homicides and shootings has been dramatically decreasing in the U.S. forlorne Dec 18, 07:46

What do you mean "all of the recent mass shootings have taken place specifically where firearms are banned". It's clearly legal to own RogerMore Dec 18, 08:52

specifically, the schools, the particular theater, and the shopping mall all banned firearms, including those with forlorne Dec 18, 11:56

I don't think it's very pragmatic to have loaded firearms in places where there are lots of children - like schools, or theatres. RogerMore Dec 18, 13:07

An interesting article from Ezra Klein of the Washington Post. He addresses Switzerland in a correction piece also linked. Paul2k Dec 18, 09:02

More American Stupidity - richest country in the world - and no Universal HealthCare for its citizens - Pathetic. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 18, 15:13

From wikipedia, crime statistics and gun violence statistics for the U.S. Paul2k Dec 18, 10:38

I'm a pragmatist. It seems abundantly clear laws do not keep guns away from criminals, and random mental illness will always be with us. forlorne Dec 18, 11:58

Hmm. Laws do not keep guns away from ciminals? While that is true, from my perspective, it seems to be the wrong way of looking at it. Paul2k Dec 18, 13:53

Yesterday, someone pulled out a gun at a theater and started shooting. They got one shot off, and someone who had a gun dropped them. forlorne Dec 18, 11:59

That someone was an law enforcement officer, not some random citizen. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 12:02

Pure luck. In his absence, a responsibly armed citizen would have been the next best thing. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 18, 14:51

Since I'm not a gun owner and thus haven't received training that I assume comes with earning a permit, does anyone know how Paul2k Dec 18, 15:11

Requirements vary by state. Some requre yearly yearly renewal, some measure of performance. Others, probably just paperwork. edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 18, 15:40

It's good to hear that the people you know do treat their CCW permits with such seriousness and gravity. One hopes that all others Paul2k Dec 18, 15:47

here are a few answers for you... RazorHawk Dec 18, 18:44

Thanks - it's interesting to see perspectives like this. {nm} RogerMore Dec 18, 19:37

Thank you for taking hte time to explain your situation and experience with guns. It gives me better understanding and context Paul2k Dec 18, 19:39

the reason the proficiency requirement was dropped... RazorHawk Dec 18, 20:27

It would be foolhardy to assume an untrained civilian would get the exact same result. He could have just as well shoot innocent bystanders Antibody Dec 18, 19:43

Waiting for popo is what gets people killed. They can't protect you when bullets start flying. That shooter might have taken out a dozen edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 02:30

Assumptions again. A wild wild west shootout could result in additional victims from an untrained civilians.. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 08:59

Your assumption. Connecticut, say: your assumption is that responsible CCW holder would have blundered into accidentally killing 27 edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 10:06

(scratch 27; make that 26) {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 10:15

You get things like this happening with trained police officers. RogerMore Dec 19, 10:50

Dunno. But, any claim that a CCW holder is likely to have made that situation worse, defies logic. In the meantime, people died while the edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 11:04

I just provided an example of where involvement by trained police officers caused the unintended injury of eight people RogerMore Dec 19, 11:46

You have convinced me that some police officers are so poorly trained, that some private citizens must surely be better. But, seriously, edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 19, 16:50

Aw man, a whole book? Isn't there some sort of Cliff's Notes? I'd like to know why he think rates of gun deaths and gun homicides RogerMore Dec 19, 20:46

I think you may find that edzep - Port Monkey! Dec 20, 04:08

I was reading his blog last night, and it doesn't give me a lot of confidence. RogerMore Dec 20, 07:18

Yes, I'm making another assumption to counter your assumption. {nm} Antibody Dec 19, 11:53

Learning how to shoot is not difficult. It requires time and patience. You put too much credit in with the govt {nm} websch01ar Dec 20, 05:42

Again, I must say that the best way to curb these mass killings to limit the fire power. There's absolutely no reason for assault rifles... elchan Dec 18, 20:21

Largest massacre at a school ever didn't even involve guns. Eight pistols or even a good sword could have had same results forlorne Dec 19, 06:02

If you're talking about this one, it was 85 years ago and involved explosives. Are there controls on who can buy explosives? RogerMore Dec 19, 08:23

If explosive regulation is so effective, why are we so afraid of terrorists? {nm} Scorpion Dec 19, 21:40

Why would we use peoples' feelings to measure the effectiveness of regulation? {nm} RogerMore Dec 20, 07:25

My point is that you cant' keep explosives out of a determined persons hands with regulation. Why would guns be different? Scorpion Dec 20, 10:30

I'm seriously tired of seeing the same bad arguments repeated over and over again. My last post on this issue for a while is inside. RogerMore Dec 20, 13:58

Bad arguments, or just ones you don't want to accept? Scorpion Dec 20, 17:04

Heh - I probably shouldn't have checked in on Life board today. But anyway... RogerMore Dec 21, 13:31

if the Jets don't dump Sanchez, they deserve what they get next year. {nm} lobogotti Dec 18, 06:06

As far as I understand, the money needed to dump him makes it unlikely to happen. He just got an extension this past offseason... {nm} slappydavid Dec 18, 06:42

yeah, but if I were them I'd bite the bullet. {nm} lobogotti Dec 18, 07:21

Do they still have to pay him if they cut him? {nm} forlorne Dec 18, 08:22

He's got guaranteed money. Here's a link to a short article explaining the money/salary cap implications of cutting him (inside) slappydavid Dec 18, 08:40

Does his contract require he be a starter? Then keep him as backup in case the new QB gets hurt. {nm} JDolphin Dec 18, 15:21

McElroy has been announced as starter for this weekend. Still I'm guessing Sanchez should get another shot at some point... {nm} slappydavid Dec 18, 17:20

Tebow Curse to the Jets!! {nm} mike255 Dec 18, 08:49

Well done Cowboys now just need the Titans to win for my double to pay out {nm} blaze223 Dec 17, 13:33

LOL...well, you shouldn't have won, but Sanchez (the next Romo) secured it for you. glad to see you did....congrats {nm} lobogotti Dec 18, 06:07

In a just world, the 2013 Emmy for Lead Actress in a Drama Series would go to ... BC Dec 17, 06:59

American Stupidity - Connecticut Shooting - 'If Only Someone Had A Gun'. Cognitive Dissidence & HUFFPOST Links. RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 17, 05:01

I'm willing to consider legislation to limit the acquisition of weaponry that will fire 3 rounds per batch down the road. websch01ar Dec 17, 05:35

I think allowing passions, reasoned passions, to dictate our future is a winning strategy. Blinded passions, passions that are not backed by Paul2k Dec 17, 06:11

Pls note I am not saying to leverage our convictions when making decisions. Rather, it seems folly to rush to make changes just to have websch01ar Dec 17, 07:13

Err...NOT TO Leverage....I encourage people to get involved and take some ownership of a given issue. {nm} websch01ar Dec 17, 07:21

I think it's more correct to say "American voters do not want the measures of gun control that would be necessary to prevent something like RogerMore Dec 17, 08:36

Mexico has more restrictive gun control laws than the U.S....hardly a testament to safety in that country. websch01ar Dec 17, 09:45

RM is correct when he says "there are a range of other factors that also have an impact - poverty, crime, culture, drugs, mental health, Moviesnob Dec 17, 10:11

I think that's an apples and oranges comparison - Mexico has far lower income levels, weaker institutions, criminals fighting over control RogerMore Dec 17, 10:21

This focus on controlling guns is our attempt to understand and control a situation. It makes us feel better that we have responded. {nm} websch01ar Dec 17, 12:44

thats your opinion. I see it as preventive. Its not like gun control debate just started as a reaction to this (or any) criminal act {nm} Moviesnob Dec 17, 12:49

Gun Control creeps up whenever there is mass life loss like this. To disagree with this notion does a disservice to the topic. {nm} websch01ar Dec 18, 07:26

of course it does, but that doesnt mean the debate goes away between acts of mass killings. if you aren't aware of it, then you aren't Moviesnob Dec 18, 10:23

The point is that gun control is not just about "feeling better". It has clear benefits, in the form of fewer gun deaths, as shown in RogerMore Dec 17, 14:21

I'm not ignoring it. I'm waiting on proof. All you have offered thus far is your opinion. websch01ar Dec 18, 07:23

There's plenty of evidence that the rate of gun deaths is significantly higher in the US than other countries, that gun control is RogerMore Dec 18, 08:34

Controlling guns should be our attempt to protect lives, the same way the Government controls car safety, food safety, drug safety...etc. {nm} Antibody Dec 17, 16:17

There already is gun control legislation. We should work on fixing the implementation of it rather than giving the administration as pass websch01ar Dec 18, 07:25

A complete ban on assault rifles would have prevented higher death toll. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 09:48

A safe assumption, but who knows the lengths the deranged will go to. {nm} websch01ar Dec 18, 11:24

I struck gold!!! wroberson Dec 17, 02:52

30 2012 movie scripts available online — free and legal! tatoufan Dec 16, 23:39

Oh, i have to go to that site? I'll pass then. {nm} PVL Admin Dec 17, 16:48

Aj Screw Cena. Wow. What up with this crazy woman {nm} mike255 Dec 16, 19:49

TLC spoils islander Dec 16, 17:52

Haven't been watching any WWE lately, but I'll check that out just for the fun of it... {nm} slappydavid Dec 16, 18:07

shield match was excellent islander Dec 16, 18:38

This game has been long enough already, and now OT... At this rate Survivor will be starting sometime tomorrow afternoon {nm} islander Dec 16, 16:43

Well okay. NFC east logjam! {nm} islander Dec 16, 16:51

And the last NFC wild card spot {nm} slappydavid Dec 16, 17:21

my bears are dead. dear santa, give us a new coaching staff for next year! {nm} islander Dec 16, 17:25

go skins! {nm} Moviesnob Dec 16, 17:30

oh yeah.... Survivor: Lisa has its finale tonight! {nm} RazorHawk Dec 16, 17:46

it really has been all about her hasnt it. my guess is she wins {nm} islander Dec 16, 17:50

And the Winner of Survivor is .................... RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 16, 20:48

did you get a good look at who is returning for next season?... should be interesting {nm} RazorHawk Dec 16, 22:17

And the ten (10 returning Survivor Players are ...... (See inside). RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 16, 23:00

i really dont think ill be able to watch that group {nm} islander Dec 17, 06:59

in the words of Anthony Dinozzo... "It's like a train wreck about to happen... I want to look away but I can't" {nm} RazorHawk Dec 17, 08:40

I agree. If only (spoils for the list) RogerMore Dec 17, 09:09

I think that person will be back (sometime soon) {nm} RazorHawk Dec 17, 10:29

Miami Marlins North Acquire Cy Young Winner R.A. Dickey. ESPN: Report - Trade Hinges On Extension. RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 16, 13:52

one word. Knuckleball. see it....such a great film! {nm} lobogotti Dec 16, 15:35

we can continue to argue about ROY, but MVP is pretty clear - it should be AP - here's a crazy stat Moviesnob Dec 16, 12:04

I like his chances for 2000 yards {nm} slappydavid Dec 16, 12:33

Comeback POY will be A.D. but I still like Manning (Denver) for MVP. {nm} damenchipguy Dec 16, 13:47

hes had a great year (and kudos to you for drafting him) but Denver was a playoff team last year. Think of the Vikings w/o AP {nm} Moviesnob Dec 16, 13:59

AP is going to get Comeback Player of the Year. with a 9 game win streak and most likely a team that will win out lobogotti Dec 16, 15:28

MVP=most valuable player. Imagine for a second MIN without AP. Denver and NE are still playoff contenders Moviesnob Dec 16, 16:37

That's a good argument, also works for Luck {nm} slappydavid Dec 16, 17:23

Luck's been good, and is a ROY candidate...AP has had one of the best RB seasons ever and makes big plays in big games {nm} Moviesnob Dec 16, 17:47

Go back and look at the MVPs of the last 35 years. Beyond the stats they all have one thing in common, double digit wins and playoff trips. lobogotti Dec 16, 19:55

2 games out of 16 {nm} lobogotti Dec 16, 19:55

thats a valid argument, but i dont believe MVP should automatically come from a playoff team, especially if AP breaks the rushing record. Moviesnob Dec 16, 23:44

It's the thinking of the voters. They attribute greatness to stats + wins. I agree that Luck shouldn't win MVP, but he should be in lobogotti Dec 17, 05:22

"Over past eight games, Adrian Peterson has rushed for 1,313 yards, the most over any eight-game span in a single season in NFL history. " slappydavid Dec 16, 19:55

(spoils) 2 games showing in NYC over the air...NYG @ ATL and DEN @ BAL... Buy BONDS 19 Dec 16, 11:19

crisis! how should i feel? RG3 OUT for for skins - bad for skins, good for my fantasy team who had to play him in playoffs {nm} Moviesnob Dec 16, 09:59

It's early, but it seems the Giants are not running away with that division just yet... {nm} slappydavid Dec 16, 10:40

golden opportunity for skins....c'mon Captain Kirk! {nm} Moviesnob Dec 16, 11:08

nice game, go skins! kirk lead the way, but this team knows how to win...big difference from the last few years {nm} Moviesnob Dec 16, 13:11

Bill Simmons on Luck's rookie season: Moviesnob Dec 15, 13:12

I have my Denver Peyton jersey!! That's my 2nd team. Peyton is the greatest ever, no one will convince me otherwise. If the Colts don't lobogotti Dec 16, 15:34

Espn Suspended Rob Parker Make Race issue Rg3. He said He is not Black Enough mike255 Dec 14, 16:08

I watched the show live and: "No Way, No How" should Rob Parker been suspended. He was takling about the folks in his barber shop. {nm} damenchipguy Dec 16, 08:36

China School. Chinese Man Bring Knife to hurt Children in School. We are not only one!! mike255 Dec 14, 14:16

China School Stabbing history using Knife Strict Gun Control. mike255 Dec 14, 17:16

China Stabbing History in School mike255 Dec 14, 17:41

LLAT: Man with a knife slashes 22 children near China school. (Good thing he didn't have easy access to guns) Antibody Dec 14, 13:56

Conspiracy. It happen Same day Involve with Children? {nm} mike255 Dec 14, 16:21

Gunman Killed His Father and His Mother too!! School Shooting. {nm} mike255 Dec 14, 11:54

Now he killed his brother too {nm} mike255 Dec 14, 12:27

Easy easy....Be sure of facts before reporting.....you got one out of 3 correct. {nm} Buy BONDS 19 Dec 14, 16:52

(In keeping with that) There were two gunmen on the grassy knoll! :P {nm} DTravel Dec 15, 11:04

Breaking News Shooting in Elementary School.. {nm} mike255 Dec 14, 09:08

It is in suburban CT.....Dear Gov. Christie, is today a good day to talk about gun control? If not, when? {nm} mrbinns Dec 14, 09:16

Thanks . . . just what I wanted to read...politicizing a tragedy. websch01ar Dec 14, 11:41

Sorry....I just am continually responding to Gov. Christie's statement on July 23...Guns do not kill people, bullets do. BUT all of these mrbinns Dec 14, 12:09

Hey, websch01ar. Ever wonder why gun control works in Canada, UK and Germany. Outlaws there too. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 14, 12:36

Let's see how gun control is working in Canada... RazorHawk Dec 14, 19:09

Hmmm ... let's see, my city of 1 million has 120 murders year (and that's an avg yr) - see how much worse it is without gun control {nm} JDolphin Dec 14, 21:02

Canada doesn't really have strict gun control - at least not like the UK does. And the rate of gun homicides is still 1/4 of the US rate. {nm} RogerMore Dec 15, 08:43

populations: 331.59mill (US) vs 34.48mill (Canada) {nm} RazorHawk Dec 15, 16:34

It's a per capita rate. 2.98 per 100,000 Americans, 0.76 per 100,000 Canadians RogerMore Dec 15, 16:48

2.98 US is from the years 2008-2010 (multiple years) while the 0.76 Canada rate you provided is from 1992 (20 years ago) {nm} RazorHawk Dec 15, 17:44

You're right - there's more recent data for Canada from 2006 that has an even lower rate of 0.6 per 100,000 Canadians. RogerMore Dec 15, 18:44

They're reporting 12 dead. Geez. {nm} eyescovered Dec 14, 09:40

Correction. Now 27 (14 of them children). {nm} eyescovered Dec 14, 09:42

Where are you reading this? CNN says 2 dead (both adults) {nm} BSmurf Dec 14, 09:50

I was on Reuters (link in message). The numbers are all over the place. No one seems to know. An entire class is still unaccounted for. eyescovered Dec 14, 09:56

Yeah - I've read multiple sources and no one agrees on anything. This happened 3 hours ago and still no one on the scene has info?! BSmurf Dec 14, 09:58

I work for a school district so it's something that's always in the back of your mind. You never know. {nm} eyescovered Dec 14, 10:03

2 Days ago. It was Oregon Mall Shooting!!! {nm} mike255 Dec 14, 10:05

This is Worst Than Columbine School Shooting!!! {nm} mike255 Dec 14, 10:08

USA Solution - More Guns Needed. HUFFPOST Update - 27 dead including 18 children. RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 14, 11:27

Many civilized countries do not have this many gun deaths in one year. {nm} RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 14, 11:28

When will a politician finally tell a gun lobbyist: Thanks for all your money, but there is NOTHING I can do for you today. I feel helpless. goodvibe61 Dec 14, 13:44

Copycats. Here's one way to help stop it: BSmurf Dec 14, 14:02

Look 2 posts above, China has strict gun control, and the maniac used a knife. What we need to do is castrate these people so their genes elchan Dec 14, 14:15

Who decides who gets castrated after that? You're just opening the door to a reign of tyranny. {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Dec 15, 01:46

How about the whole male line at and 1 level after his. Then the family will keep people like that in check, before they get postal. {nm} elchan Dec 15, 12:07

Conspiracy Hurricane Sandy and Now Sandy Elementary School shooting. {nm} mike255 Dec 15, 20:33