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less than a week after the mosque slayings, New Zealand bans all semi-automatic assault weapons (which the US also used to before the NRA) professor zovek Mar 20, 19:42

There is no such thing as an "assault weapon." This language was invented to demonize guns Chimpmuck Mar 20, 21:25

good. it's working professor zovek Mar 21, 00:09

The language I saw banned military-style semiautomatic weapons? Is that a real thing? {nm} Wellespring Mar 21, 03:37

It will be defined in the NZ legislation - but basically, a semi automatic firearm or shotgun that can be used with a detachable cartridge RogerMore Mar 21, 05:48

How about "weapon made to kill multiple human beings on a battlefield". {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 08:04

All guns are designed to kill. What's your point? {nm} Chimpmuck Mar 21, 09:27

So they should all be banned? No, some people have legitimate uses for some types of gun. So which ones should be banned? The ones made to RogerMore Mar 21, 09:39

Why should any gun be banned? "Legitimate use" is not required according to the 2nd amendment and the supreme court affirmation of gun right {nm} Chimpmuck Mar 21, 09:43

Supreme Court has ruled that right is not unlimited. Also, Amendments can and have been changed in the past. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 09:46

I never understand why people blame guns and not perpetrators. My gun and the guns of millions of others have not gone out and killed anyone Chimpmuck Mar 21, 09:51

Because other nations in the world that ban assault weapons do not have nutcases that massacre its citizens regularly. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 09:56

Probably because they remove the nutcases from society rather than let them roam the streets like we do {nm} Chimpmuck Mar 21, 09:58

Wrong. Again, the only difference in the equation is "assault rweapons". {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 10:04

Actually, absence of assault weapon... Hard to kill 50 people in 10 minutes with a knife... {nm} Lukasck Mar 21, 14:18

In the case of murder by knife, would you blame the knife and call for knife control? {nm} Chimpmuck Mar 21, 14:23

Because like you said, they're designed to kill. It's good public policy to restrict ownership. And NZ doesn't have the 2nd Amendment. {nm} RogerMore Mar 21, 09:51

I'm happy they are designed to kill... Chimpmuck Mar 21, 09:56

No, thank the conservatives for taking funding away from social services that would have housed the mentally ill. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 09:58

That is an uninformed opinion.. Chimpmuck Mar 21, 10:10

The mass murderers in the US were not "mentally ill roaming the streets" but regular people in good homes including high school sstudents. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 10:40

Anyone who commits mass murder is mentally ill. Your argument is invalid. {nm} Chimpmuck Mar 21, 10:44

The point is they are regular people like you with no signs of mental illness, until the shooting starts. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 10:47

Roaming the streets and allowed to buy guns, including the most lethal guns and a lot of them. And look closer at the people you are talking RogerMore Mar 21, 10:17

In terms of constitutional rights, that is the equivalent of banning free speech for everyone because some people might use "hate speech" {nm} Chimpmuck Mar 21, 10:21

I can't believe you switched from "if more people were institutionalised, this wouldn't be a problem" to "this is a breach of constitutional RogerMore Mar 21, 10:31

I didn't switch. Restricting the rights of all citizens to own guns for protection because of the deinstitutionalized mentally ill is wrong Chimpmuck Mar 21, 10:42

Who said anything about banning all guns? Just asking for semi-automatic, assault weapons made by the military for the battlefield. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 10:44

The AR-15 everyone hates is not made by the military. More... Chimpmuck Mar 21, 11:03

Saying “the similarities are cosmetic” isn’t telling the whole story. It’s a semi-automatic rifle developed for the military and adapted for RogerMore Mar 21, 11:20

You don’t seem very concerned about the constitutional rights of the people who would be institutionalize under your proposal. RogerMore Mar 21, 10:58

With some people there is no way to know whether they are going to be a mass killer. You can resrtict the rights of everyone based... Chimpmuck Mar 21, 11:17

*cant restrict {nm} Chimpmuck Mar 21, 11:17

So think of ways that don’t affect people’s rights or impact them less. Don’t just say “Do nothing, it’s better than a complete ban” RogerMore Mar 21, 11:39

I agree with all of that (except the home interview) and more, as long as it is focused on the individual. {nm} Chimpmuck Mar 21, 11:43

In these discussions, I've found that everyone agrees with it (generally) in theory, but prefer the status quo in practice. {nm} RogerMore Mar 21, 12:04

What kind of "legitimate use" can you find to a gun designed to shoot 500 rounds/minute??? Lukasck Mar 21, 12:04

That's just a hyperbolic argument. If you are referring to the vilified AR-15 rifle... Chimpmuck Mar 21, 12:34

Like I said, no need to bring NRA usual lines to justify... Lukasck Mar 21, 13:55

Our constitution was designed so that citizens can have weapons to.... chipshot Mar 21, 11:33

The constitution also referred to slaves as three-fifths of a whole person. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 12:04

and the weapons in the civil war helped put that in balance that, huh. {nm} chipshot Mar 21, 12:41

Or nearly a million Americans would not have died needlessly if guns were not around. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 12:53

Many nations ended slavery without going through a civil war. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 13:03

and actually ended it {nm} professor zovek Mar 21, 13:07

apples and oranges. If many nations had the ability to uprise against their corrupt governments chipshot Mar 21, 12:46

Huh? Many nations have risen up against their corrupt governments and replaced their leaders violently throughout history. {nm} Antibody Mar 21, 12:50

Fairy Tale. {nm} DTravel Mar 21, 12:41