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The Audience is the only measuring stick you really have.

Posted by: medv4380 on May 07, 13:54 in response to DTXbro's post The mass audience decides popularity. Nothing more. Do...

The Lord of the Rings and Issac Assimovs Foundation are now considered classics instead of Genra, but that's only because of the Audience enjoyed them at the time they were made and eventually Acidemia adopted them as classic.  This is the basis of Acidemic Lag. "Professional" openion is always dated well behind the audiance, and is playing a game of perpetual catchup.

As for Continuity. For Avengers and Cap the answer is yes it played a large roll in success. As for Transformers, if you were at all aquanted with continuity you'd know that Tranformers has nothing of the kind. Green Hornet needed a good script, a good actor to play the lead, and a good Director. It had none. 

Marvel has attribuited much of its success of beating DC at the comic game due to their effort in creating and maintaing a continuous interconnected story. DC was always about making one off unconnected stories which didn't bring readers back or bring them into other franchises as well.  Only after Marvel started hurting DC did they adopt their own continuity, and they even had to Hire Kirby who helped make marvel what it was to do it.

A good continous story is really the only way B and C list character like Iron Man, Cap, Thor and Hulk survive. A-list like Spider-man, Superman, and Batman easily bring their own audicance without it, but with it can prop up thier own sales as well as others.

A collection of Avengers-related thoughts about the movies. DTXbro May 07, 07:46

agreed on your point 3. Furthermore; 'why so serious' about this kiddiefare JMT-NL May 07, 07:53

You should probably go back and re-read points 1, 2, 4, and 5. :) {nm} DTXbro May 07, 08:04

okay... tried again... head hurts... AAArgh... JMT Smash ! {nm} JMT-NL May 07, 08:50

The most important point was in the final line.{nm} DTXbro May 07, 10:23

Luxurification? Infantalization? {nm} forlorne May 07, 08:28

I don't really agree with your points. medv4380 May 07, 08:29

I believe Robert Downey Jr. sold some Avengers tickets. But isn't that a vivid exception? Edward Norton is a fine actor, but DTXbro May 07, 08:47

RDOWN, in the same way JDEPP made the "Pirates..." franchise work, or HLEDG made BATM2 something very good into something... second gary May 07, 09:31

I think your mixing some rotten apples in with your oranges. medv4380 May 07, 09:58

Box office figures seem to suggest that many AVNGR patrons did not see the predecessor movies. I doubt most viewers cared about missing the DTXbro May 07, 10:22

Following this logic, box office figures seem to suggest that many ANVGR patrons did not see any other movie ever SamJohnson2 May 07, 10:42

What form of logic do you have in mind? Deductive, inductive, and even abductive appear to be out of the running.{nm} DTXbro May 07, 11:20

The argument of it being Hackneyed is academic, and applies to everything. medv4380 May 07, 11:34

Comic books v. John McPhee. Shawshank Redemption v. Gigli. Paul Newman v. Kim Kardashian. At some point, who is to say what is superior? DTXbro May 07, 11:57

The Audience is the correct answer. medv4380 May 07, 12:17

The mass audience decides popularity. Nothing more. Do McBurgers and ramen noodles top the "best foods" list. As for Ebert's review, DTXbro May 07, 12:40

The Audience is the only measuring stick you really have. medv4380 May 07, 13:54

Don't worry. It's the blockbusters that pay the way for artistic films. elchan May 07, 09:05

And if anyone fixates on artistic films, it's a guy named Bluto who lives at Delta House! {nm} DTXbro May 07, 15:49

Relax. Not every film can be high-minded art like Caddyshack or Animal House. {nm} Tanker May 07, 09:32

Those films will be quoted for decades and are featured in well-regarded lists. A work of almost any genre can be done well, or brilliantly. DTXbro May 07, 10:30

Seems to me that you are like Judge Smails looking down on lowbrow entertainment like The Avengers. Tanker May 07, 10:37

Stripes, Caddyshack, and Animal House were great lowbrow entertainments, which is in some ways the best entertainment. {nm} DTXbro May 07, 11:22

The gist of your argument (such that it is) when all is said and done comes to an internet meme. Tanker May 07, 11:47

I do not begrudge those that like The Avengers. I count myself fortunate that these are my children's economic competitors. But if we can DTXbro May 07, 12:45





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