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But where possible people should be free from the threat of violence.

Posted by: Jane_Citizen on Jul 20, 05:44 in response to edzep - Port Monkey!'s post Every system, every facet of life has abberations. Trying...

Guns exist explicitly to threaten violence against others. Having to live in fear of others exerting a violent power over you doesn't sound very liberating to me.

In any case, it would be a lot harder to massacre so many people so fast without such weapons.

20 hurt after shooting at Colorado movie screening of Dark Knight. BelizeIt Jul 20, 01:16

probably did not get tickets!! b4bad Jul 20, 01:23

that's messed up.... {nm} Yunfan Jul 20, 03:29

people were killed...please show some respect {nm} Yunfan Jul 20, 03:30

+ Infinity {nm} Tanker Jul 20, 04:07

Yep, no reason at all to joke about something like this. {nm} LanceStorm22 Jul 20, 04:23

Norwegian TV reports ten shot dead, and another twenty wounded. This comes two days before Norway's one year anniversary for the July terror Facto Jul 20, 01:34

DL: "A local police press conference is anticipated shortly as TV stations report about 250 police converged on the theater area" {nm} Facto Jul 20, 02:38

WTG comic book nerds! {nm} Mr. Smitherz Jul 20, 01:53

"Twelve cinema-goers are reported to have been killed and 20 hurt at a cinema in the Colorado city of Aurora during a midnight showing of Facto Jul 20, 01:56

Century 16 Movie Theaters in downtown Aurora - reports back and forth of one or two gunmen, 10 or 12 dead. {nm} Facto Jul 20, 02:02

Sounds like a Columbine type situation. {nm} mrbeankc Jul 20, 02:13

Indeed. It's getting increasingly bad: At least 14 confirmed deaths now, around 50 wounded, at least three of those in critical condition. A Facto Jul 20, 02:35

That's a horrible thing to say. {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Jul 20, 03:30

Don't really care about your opinion. {nm} Mr. Smitherz Jul 20, 08:51

Not sure I buy the following from the DL article: "Very real possibility this may affect the box office today and this weekend" {nm} Mr. Smitherz Jul 20, 02:24

good to focus on the important things {nm} mickpix Jul 20, 02:31

I don't care. {nm} Mr. Smitherz Jul 20, 08:48

this is such a tragedy...i dont understand why you in America are allowed to use and buy weapons {nm} MatthiasVGer Jul 20, 02:59

Seriously? The d-bags are going to get guns anyway. It is nice to have one to defend yourself and this is coming from a hawkfanatic2 Jul 20, 03:34

A poor argument, predicated on fear as opposed to truth. Just look at the stats for countries with strict gun laws {nm} numbersix_99 Jul 20, 03:36

Look at the cities in America with strict gun control laws, they have the highest crime rates. {nm} Tanker Jul 20, 03:41

How strict? What are the laws? The fact that they are accessible is still the problem {nm} numbersix_99 Jul 20, 04:20

Sadly, criminals do not obey the law. Look at the gun laws in Chicago and the violence, look at D.C. and look at the violence. Tanker Jul 20, 04:33

Agreed, but if you outlaw the ownership of all semi-automatic weapons in the nation, you will see a reduction in gun-related murders {nm} numbersix_99 Jul 20, 04:54

Then criminals will get revolvers and then the cry will be to outlaw revolvers. Tanker Jul 20, 05:37

Handguns too. Basically limit everything besides hunting rifles and only those with extreme monitoring... numbersix_99 Jul 20, 05:51

Like I said below, you have have freedom or you can have security. Nothing will stop crazy people from doing crazy things. Tanker Jul 20, 06:00

Freedom is a device of rhetoric. By that logic every law reduces your "freedom". It's in your constitution but should it be? numbersix_99 Jul 20, 06:06

I've used my handgun to defend myself from a would-be robber. I've never used it to kill. Tanker Jul 20, 06:15

What I meant is that banning guns would reduce gun-related homicides, for criminals and citizens. That alone is worth it {nm} numbersix_99 Jul 20, 06:27

how could you ever ban guns? what govt agency could go across the entire US checking every single person? think about it islander Jul 20, 06:32

And again, the cities which have banned guns (semi-automatic, revolver, whatever) have the highest amount of gun violence in America. Tanker Jul 20, 06:35

Hey Tanker, thanks for being pleasant and thoughtful in the debate. Here's my closing remarks... numbersix_99 Jul 20, 06:52

Revolvers are a heck of a lot less dangerous than a semi-automatic. If the guy who shot Gabby Giffords... photochick814 Jul 20, 08:52

So you think people should be able to carry their guns around with them wherever, just in case? Jane_Citizen Jul 20, 05:26

It's part of the Constitution. Don't like it? There are other places to live. {nm} Mr. Smitherz Jul 20, 08:53

There are thousands laws to control the purchase and ownership of guns. Problem is, criminals don't obey the law. {nm} Tanker Jul 20, 03:37

its only natural that a lot of people will find movie going to be in bad taste this weekend {nm} 1bloke Jul 20, 03:40

And there will be others who will find moviegoing as an act of defiance against the gunman too. {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Jul 20, 03:43

The Aussie seems to flat out get the American psyche. As for the shooter- may he rot in hell. {nm} Dales Jul 20, 04:09

Yeah, at the risk of getting too political, you can't let these types of madmen change the way you live your life, they're always going to LanceStorm22 Jul 20, 04:22

You can have eitehr freedom or security. Pick one. And BTW, there are reports that an explosive device was found in the theater. Tanker Jul 20, 04:28

Every system, every facet of life has abberations. Trying to legislate them out of existence equals loss of freedom. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Jul 20, 03:44

Very true, and very well said. I agree. {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Jul 20, 03:45

But where possible people should be free from the threat of violence. Jane_Citizen Jul 20, 05:44

Bomb-making instructions can easily be found online. bombs would kill just as many. {nm} Mr. Smitherz Jul 20, 09:17

Someone always has to spoil the party. Apparently, the sicko was wearing a "Bane styled" mask. Frankly, it doesn't surprise me. elchan Jul 20, 05:37

They should stop making these kind of comic book movies. Dark, violent, sadistic. Don't ever see this happening at Spider-Man. {nm} Mr. Smitherz Jul 20, 09:10





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