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Well, I guess in the US it boils down to just those two stereotypes. Even your two-party politics becomes useless noise and mudslinging.

Posted by: Facto on Apr 02, 11:43 in response to Antibody's post As oppose to a conservative who think women should be...

Just because I call out a predictable, wise-cracking libtard, that does not make me a conservative or one who thinks women should be subservient to men.

I'm not saying they deserve it or were "asking for it" either. All I am suggesting is that it's a bit odd to make a public spectacle because of groping, after having gone into a guy like that's office on a Friday evening (if that's what she did). The point being that we don't know what actually transpired between the two, and the knowledge that there are indeed plenty of women (and men) out there who will make false accusations as a means of revenge or in order to gain something (even fame, notoriety).. Given Weinstein's reputation, it doesnt seem the likeliest explanation here, but then there's always that pesky principle of allowing for the benefit of the doubt (until something's conclusively and irrefutably proven).Ā 

Gawker: the open secret of Harvey Weinstein's behavior with women is now out. (will the tide build and turn like Bill Cosby?) Antibody Apr 02, 10:43

insinuates OWILD,. GMOL and BLIVE all been helped by "casting" sessions. {nm} Antibody Apr 02, 10:46

the Gretchen Mol story (how she got Rounders) i heard a long time ago {nm} professor smartbrain Apr 02, 16:50

"She was living in a Hell's Kitchen walk-up when she was noticed by a talent agent who spotted her working as a hat check girl at Michael's Facto Apr 03, 07:40

Cosby drugged and raped his victims. Sounds like Harvey was "asking" these women, and they at least had a "choice" in the matter BSmurf Apr 02, 10:54

Classy comment. The guy needs muses. Show me a highly driven person who doesn't require inspiration - unless he's a manic preacher, who Facto Apr 02, 11:02

Wait, what? I'm having trouble finding anything resembling a point in your post. Who are you talking to, and about what? {nm} BSmurf Apr 02, 11:05

More of a general comment, but one sees so much judgemental stuff. Here, the use of a word like "scumbag". {nm} Facto Apr 02, 11:11

Would "Bully" (a widely accepted term to describe HW - even by HIM) have been more appropriate? He uses people to enrich himself w/o regard BSmurf Apr 02, 11:17

It ties in with a pattern seen many places. Here at HSX boards only a few get into it. My point isn't that he probably doesn't fit the term. Facto Apr 02, 11:37

So, (astonishingly) your point is that you don't like it when people call a spade a spade? And that somehow translates to a particular BSmurf Apr 02, 12:02

You are right - I don't like it. I find it lacking in class, and the entire idiom of "calling a spade a spade" revolts me. It's a mask for Facto Apr 02, 12:28

On the other hand, Facto DTravel Apr 02, 13:00

Sounds like a US cultural or interpretational thing. So, unless things are put very bluntly and coarsely, disapproval can't be communicated? {nm} Facto Apr 02, 13:09

Disapproval can't be communicated without being _accurate_. DTravel Apr 02, 13:26

This might turn into an interesting debate, yet. A bit of sociology class and something to chew on. (No immediate reply.) {nm} Facto Apr 02, 13:44

short version: "They were asking for it" {nm} professor smartbrain Apr 02, 11:15

Yeah, right. Never listen to mickpix - especially when it comes to me, and those few others he's held grudges against for a number of years. {nm} Facto Apr 02, 11:22

Maybe because they don't agree with your views on women. {nm} Antibody Apr 02, 11:31

Oh yeah, it's gotta be that. I have views on women, now+ {nm} Facto Apr 02, 11:33

(Supposed to be ? at the end. Might put "views on women" in quotes as well.) I'm just not a libtard, like some of these parrots. {nm} Facto Apr 02, 11:34

As oppose to a conservative who think women should be subservient to men? {nm} Antibody Apr 02, 11:36

Well, I guess in the US it boils down to just those two stereotypes. Even your two-party politics becomes useless noise and mudslinging. Facto Apr 02, 11:43

Please stop the name-calling or be banned. {nm} Antibody Apr 02, 11:47

Ok, fine. Rules are rules. My apologies. I should take cues and learn to place passive-aggressive jabs, whenever possible, like he does :-) {nm} Facto Apr 02, 11:53

The 'two-party politics' is hardly much different in Europe (epp & socialists), it's all the same. {nm} tatoufan Apr 02, 13:08

Less theatrics and mud-slinging, but I guess we're/they're taking cues from the US and regressin, gradually.. {nm} Facto Apr 02, 13:24

Never listen to facto - especially when it comes to me, and those few others he's held grudges against for a number of years. {nm} RazorHawk Apr 02, 11:40

Ehr.. Right. Let's make this about you and turn it all into a parody. I don't hold grudges against you. Get over yourself already.. Facto Apr 02, 11:46

and then you post thingys like this.... RazorHawk Apr 02, 12:01

I'd say that's about perceptiveness. Facto Apr 02, 12:21

passive-aggressiveness... RazorHawk Apr 02, 12:32

Well, that was neither a jab nor passive-aggressive. It was a jocular comment made in good spirit. Too bad it was misread as anything else. Facto Apr 02, 12:44

Its been years.. you still don't get it... I'll just put you on the list and I won't have to deal with it anymore. {nm} RazorHawk Apr 02, 12:49

Been years? Years of what? Years of me not being able to read your mind? I honestly don't know what you're getting at. Facto Apr 02, 12:59

Also: Impressed that you had that tagged. A couple of general points: Facto Apr 02, 12:52

His point is to excuse rape, as near as I can tell. {nm} tawdryhepburn Apr 02, 14:40

You should quit trying to tell/interpret then, because you're apparently really bad at it. And for the record: Accusing others of excusing Facto Apr 03, 05:03

You probably actually *are* a fan of Anthony Scallia so pointing out the similarities in your inductive reasoning would be counterproductive {nm} tawdryhepburn Apr 03, 11:02

And I know Scallia's thought process well: my girlfriend is a lawyer and was a member of the *shudders* federalist society. {nm} tawdryhepburn Apr 03, 11:03

He's not an artist. He's a powerful man using his position to gain sexual favors. {nm} Antibody Apr 02, 11:27

#winning {nm} lhayes37 Apr 02, 11:38

Shoulda changed your nick to Charlie S or something for that one there, Les... {nm} Facto Apr 02, 11:47

yeah woulda been better {nm} lhayes37 Apr 02, 12:04

It's despicable, but isn't that the norm for "powerful people"? They expect (and receive) more than they should, purely based on "leverage" {nm} Rocket123 aka PVL Admin Apr 02, 11:47

Sexual harrassment is illegal. {nm} Antibody Apr 02, 11:49

...but has to be proven, first.. Facto Apr 02, 12:01

That comment says it all about your view. It's not a crime if you can get away with it! {nm} Antibody Apr 02, 12:04

No. You're jumping to conclusions :) (Or applying rhetorics.) I actually think that "innocent until proven guilty" is a good principle for Facto Apr 02, 12:16

Who's to say what they should or should not receive? Who's the arbiter of that? Power is the most powerful aphrodisiac, many say. {nm} Facto Apr 02, 11:57

Sexual harassment has to be proven - and therein lies the rub.... {nm} Facto Apr 02, 11:58

Yes, it has to be proven. But he shouldn't be able to prevent investigation into it just because he has money and influence. {nm} DTravel Apr 02, 13:28

You think he holds power even over the police.. ? {nm} Facto Apr 03, 05:30

I'll be glad to say he should not be asking women to strip, get on all fours so he can jerk off on their back {nm} Moviesnob Apr 02, 11:58

No, that's Terry Richardson's job. {nm} DTravel Apr 02, 13:04

There are at least a handful of comments I'd like to make to this post - and I find it hard to choose. {nm} Facto Apr 02, 13:06

Choose better than "Power is the most powerful aphrodisiac, many say." That suggests they find casting couch behavior as sexuallystimulating {nm} Moviesnob Apr 02, 13:14

Well, for one, I don't know if you're making assumptions or whether you know a lot more than is written in articles. Facto Apr 02, 13:23

Well I wasn't in the room but I do believe the people who have told me that. {nm} Moviesnob Apr 02, 13:27

You know, like Roman Polanski. {nm} tawdryhepburn Apr 02, 14:50

The mind boggles as to how you're able to bring him into this as well. Even as snark goes, these seem like low blows. Tawdry indeed. {nm} Facto Apr 03, 05:23

Roman Polanski gained access to his 13-year old victim under the pretense that he was shooting a spread for Vogue. {nm} tawdryhepburn Apr 03, 10:52

Okay. No name calling toward Harvey -- if the rumors were to be true, the word to use would be "Rapist." tawdryhepburn Apr 02, 14:21

Also boggles the mind what good expanding the rape definition does. That's a whole debate in itself - or perhaps you don't know. {nm} Facto Apr 03, 05:25

Yeah... she was probably wearing a short skirt and should have known better than to drink alcohol around a man! #VictimBlaming {nm} tawdryhepburn Apr 02, 14:39

You really ought to read more about rhetorics. Look up "strawman argument". {nm} Facto Apr 03, 05:27

This topic is a mess, but the 'short skirt' rape apologia is absolutely relevant to the post I was responding to. {nm} tawdryhepburn Apr 03, 10:53

And for the record, I am not accusing Weinstein of *anything* whatsoever. I am, however, stating that (cont'd inside) tawdryhepburn Apr 03, 11:00

THAT'S IT, I WILL SUE YOU ALL IF YOU KEEP UP THIS SLANDEROUS THREAD!!! {nm} WEINXFund Apr 02, 20:19

;-/ {nm} WEINXFund Apr 02, 20:22





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