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Not necessarily, but maybe (great non-answer answer, I know). Presales are geared toward fans to begin with, while social buzz is usually

Posted by: ShawnMR on Oct 07, 17:26 in response to warcraft86's post Wouldn't the effect of the shooting have shown up in the...

representative of overall interest. Things did slow down a bit early-to-mid week, but it wasn't enough of a signal to suggest it was going to miss every expectation out there -- even the studio's, which is usually a good barometer for a low-end expectation (more often than not, anyway).

I'm definitely not writing off other reasons as to why this underperformed, though. But as we suggested in our Friday analysis earlier, this is the kind of movie that can easily be affected by a depressed national mood. Movies are about escapism for many casual audiences, and a sci-fi movie set in a bleak future isn't very escapist -- especially in the world we live in right now.

It feels a bit callous to even bring that up as a reason/excuse, but IMHO, it's more constructive to the conversation than some of the subjective opinions about the movie itself floating around.

FWIW, I have no dog in the race. Haven't seen 2049 yet and have only seen the original twice in my entire life. I'm far from the fan boy crowd on this one, which is one reason I'm stunned it opened so far below the benchmark.

It's getting worse...THR: Blade Runner 2049 Crashing With $30M-$35M Debut tomcat90 Oct 07, 08:42

I really suspect that Las Vegas shooting may hurt the film's box office potential; now isn't a good time to release a R-rated violence film {nm} Peterlee Oct 07, 08:48

nah. it's just overlong and boring {nm} slipping jimmy Oct 07, 08:49

A- CinemaScore and overall 83% positive PostTrak audience score indicate that most audience who watched the film are satisfied {nm} Peterlee Oct 07, 08:55

That doesn't help if not enough people want to watch the film in the first place. {nm} warcraft86 Oct 07, 09:10

yes. ( I think MGM is smart to move "Death Wish" to 2018) {nm} Peterlee Oct 07, 09:11

So that potential goes back to the first point of the Vegas shooting spoiling appetites for a movie like Blade Runner 2049. {nm} Jay_Beezy Oct 07, 09:22

there's no logical connection between the two things {nm} slipping jimmy Oct 07, 09:25

But the shooting didn't seem to impact the Thurs preview number, which was in-line with PRME2, a similarly violent, R-rated, sci-fi sequel {nm} warcraft86 Oct 07, 09:28

Core fan bases aren't deterred by much (if anything). Casual audiences are, and casual audiences drive Fri-Sat-Sun more than Thurs shows. {nm} ShawnMR Oct 07, 15:53

IMO casual audiences were more referred by having to do homework (watch the original movie) than anything in the real world {nm} RogerMore Oct 07, 20:17

nope, most moviegoers don't care about a 35 year old box office flop {nm} jamesbik333 Oct 07, 09:07

of course they do. Blade Runner is the most influential sci-fi movie post-Star Wars. {nm} slipping jimmy Oct 07, 09:31

They really don't. {nm} CSBD Oct 07, 09:33

Nope, the original was terrible and boring just like 2049 is boring and terrible. {nm} skunkrunner Oct 07, 10:25

So, I guess you saw them both. Well, I dont understand, why you went to 2049 if you think, the original was terrible and boring. sphere Oct 08, 05:41

It's the only explanation that makes sense at this point. There were barely any indications this would open below $35-40M -- at the floor. {nm} ShawnMR Oct 07, 15:43

Closest comparison for precedent here would be the effect of Aurora on the box office when TDKR opened. Not on the same level $$-wise for BR ShawnMR Oct 07, 15:49

Wouldn't the effect of the shooting have shown up in the pre-sales and "social buzz" metrics? {nm} warcraft86 Oct 07, 17:08

Not necessarily, but maybe (great non-answer answer, I know). Presales are geared toward fans to begin with, while social buzz is usually ShawnMR Oct 07, 17:26

Thanks for elevating the discussion with your insights today. {nm} Qix Oct 07, 17:46

alternative explanation: it's just not very good (or at least not appealing enough to mainstream audiences, especially at a 2:45 hr runtime) {nm} slipping jimmy Oct 07, 18:32

even mike255 couldn't make this argument and keep a straight face {nm} slipping jimmy Oct 07, 17:45

Mike who? {nm} fricnfractal Oct 07, 23:14

The demographics explain it all.This connected to a specific group of filmgoers. I would question the forecasts before blaming Vegas. {nm} leo21 Oct 08, 13:27

Antifa and the news cycle has everybody staying away from "Soft Targets" from theaters to churches to parades. {nm} arf Oct 07, 21:13

Very pleased to see this, audiences not being fooled by pretentious, boring BS. {nm} skunkrunner Oct 07, 10:26





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