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Posted by: Buy BONDS 20 (a.k.a mrbinns) on Feb 07, 20:27 in response to wroberson's post Now That The Stars Have Had Their Say On The Important...

Gun contol will not be instanteous.  But IMMEDIATE steps to lessen the number of guns in the wrong hands cannot hurt.  How about CA sending out cops to take away guns from those who bought them illegally but now due to convictions cannot own them .  49 states need to follow suit.  If even ONE person not getting a gun saves lives, are you opposed?  377 murders in CHI need to be solved.  Perhaps if there were fewer guns available, there would have been fewer unsolved cases.

2)  Drones are smaller and more tightly tageted than, say, cruise missles.  The fact that one can target an individual from thousands of miles away is mind boggling.  If the goal is to stop terrorism, then the nationality of the terrorist should not be an issue.  But every time they talk about targeting Americans, it sounds like the location is domestic.  That IS scary.  The big issue is not who is being targeted, but how the target got the bulls eye on him in the first place.  As to BUSH, Hah.  43 should never have been in office and we never should have been in Iraq. Those 2 things have dragged down this country.

3)  Your tour bus analogy is wacko.  This week we had the 15th anniversary of the shooting of Mamadou Diallo in the Bronx  (41 shots)  by the NYPD.  Trained police officeers empied their large clips into an unarmed man who was reaching for his wallet in front of his home (Is at a wallet, is it a knife...you get shot just for living in your American skin)  but you think that EVERYONE should have access to such clips. 

The fact is that if you limit access to guns, limit access to ammunition, limit access to large clips, you diminish access to mass murder. 

5)  The Boy Scouts....I am an Eagle Scout  Brotherhood member of the Order of the Arrow.  Back when they were "Homos"  The fact is that there were always closeted gay people, but when I was younger, they were just different.  In my years in Scouting, I never heard of any cases of gay agression, or pedophilia. 

In a "macho" world, young men who see themselves as gay have a tough time.  Scouting tended towards the  macho.  Outdoorsmanship is that way.  But gay people are just as capable and being in the scouts would help the young men grow.  Would such young men "infect" the straight ones in their troop.  Doubtful.  Intolerance gets broken down by having Jewish kids in a troop sponsored by a church.  Intolerance got broken down when black kids were in previously all white troops, back in the day,  Having kids who see themselves as gay in an otherwise straight troop might help intolerant folks, such as yourself, see that they are just kids. Kids who can compete in sports.  Kids who  can do all the things that all the other kids do.  Surprise, they will not "infect' the troops.

I had teacher, back in the 50's and 60's that were, looking back, gay, even if not openly. They were teachers and taught their subjects well. They did not try to change me.  Typing this, I remember a Boy Scout Camp counsellor teaching a biology/natre class when I was about 12.  He was what we would have classified as "sensitive," and I can still hear his voice.  I still remember part of the course discussion, these many years gone. 

This is not a sickness.  It is just a different preference.  If you are seriously religious, remember that gay people are also God's children.. Gayness was obviouly created by God, just as everything else.  Your intolrance of these people is the Antithesis of Christinity.  Did not Jesus say to love your brother as yourself?  It is not a curse or a sickness.  Just a different path in God's creation.  An onnipotent God would not have created these people if He did not want them as part of His plan.

Now That The Stars Have Had Their Say On The Important Issues, It's Our Turn wroberson Feb 07, 03:16

If Homosexuality was such a great Sin as you suggest, it would have been in The Ten Commandments. RotoHockeyYTD2013 Feb 07, 14:31

Not sure who the "our" is but... Buy BONDS 20 Feb 07, 20:27

We're just debating here, right so don't hate on me for my views ... elchan Feb 07, 21:32

Write the book - but stop linking Homosexuality with Pedophilia. Common mistake. RotoHockeyYTD2013 Feb 07, 22:35

Drones are fun, as long as they are not in the hands of the government. {nm} elchan Feb 08, 08:23

So you're only beneficial to society if you biologically have kids?!?!?!? {nm} JDolphin Feb 08, 00:11

Actually right now I would think NOT having kids would be more beneficial to society... {nm} slappydavid Feb 08, 05:45

Almost all "First World" nations are already below the 2.1 per couple birth rate necessary just to maintain population. DTravel Feb 08, 07:38

Sorry, but humans beings are unique to this universe. So far we have not found other intelligent beings, other than here on earth. elchan Feb 08, 08:19

You have got to be kidding me... {nm} slappydavid Feb 08, 08:33

Nope not kidding. Do you dispute that human beings are a wonderous creation of Mother Earth? elchan Feb 08, 09:18

I would but this isn't the place for that discussion. {nm} DTravel Feb 08, 12:11

I'm not against you remain in your own subculture, as long as you don't try to convince children, and society that yours is benefical views {nm} JDolphin Feb 08, 00:15

I'm not try to convince anyone of anything though. The views are universal. It's the other side that has tried to reverse the psychology. elchan Feb 08, 08:40

Your views are not universal. There is growing scientifc evidence that homosexuality is genetically coded. {nm} Antibody Feb 08, 11:02

See my answer to BSmurf below. However, some of us are genetically coded to for many behaviours ... elchan Feb 08, 12:15

That is based on the fraudulent research of Alfred Kinsey, who used to pay parents to rape their children and report back to him accountant_4_Jesus Feb 08, 15:21

I don't think so. Kinsey's research was on behaviour, not genetics, and in any case there has been plenty of separate research into this. {nm} RogerMore Feb 08, 15:54

I guess all the animal species that partake in homo or bisexuality are not natural, either? Your argument is false as it is based on BSmurf Feb 08, 11:23

That's my point. But increasingly, the subculture wants to break into mainstream, in order to self-justify. elchan Feb 08, 11:57

Extending your point re: women. So, gays and women are OK as long as they are in their place? They can only exist when others determine BSmurf Feb 08, 12:59

Nope, you misunderstand me. Women can be any place they want. elchan Feb 08, 13:28

I'm hesitant to post in a thread started by an obvious troll, but this is a disappointing post. {nm} RogerMore Feb 08, 06:13

Sorry Roger, but don't hate on me for my views. Not trying to instil hatred of anyone. {nm} elchan Feb 08, 08:22

It's not hate - its bewilderment at how your reasoning can be so bad. {nm} RogerMore Feb 08, 09:14

It's not reasoning, it's rationalizing based upon learned beliefs. No one is born hating homosexuality any more than they are born hating BSmurf Feb 08, 11:36

A large majority of us don't hate gays. We simply don't want society to be twisted into thinking that it's normal behaviour. elchan Feb 08, 12:40

You didn't answer the question: How does you opinion of gays benefit YOU? Clearly you do not gain peace of mind from it, so what is it? {nm} BSmurf Feb 08, 12:49

Didn't think there was a need to answer. Though it was rhetorical, but having a good belief system, whatever it may be, benefits me. elchan Feb 08, 13:13

But how do you know your belief system is "good"? Because it is reinforced by those you surround yourself with? The Taliban think their BSmurf Feb 08, 17:20

Well, I have friends that are openly gay, it doesn't bother me. As I said, I don't hate people who choose to be gay. elchan Feb 08, 18:42

What do your gay friends think of your theories? {nm} RogerMore Feb 08, 19:30

Of course they would disagree. Most of them are discreet. Just like normal couples are. elchan Feb 08, 20:25

It also means your ideas aren't tested by the very people most likely to call you out on this Barbra Streisand {nm} RogerMore Feb 08, 21:41





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