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Definitely true on the artistic side, and maybe we'll see something on the commercial side too.

Posted by: RogerMore on Nov 14, 19:49 in response to Qix's post Of course, however I'm optimistic artists will continue...

Thinking back to the 1980s, we had a lot of patriotic movies like Rambo: First Blood, Rocky IV, Top Gun, the Delta Force movies, Red Dawn etc but we also had lots of movies set in dystopia - Robocop, The Running Man, Blade runner, Brazil, the Mad Mad movies, Escape from New York, The Thing, The Terminator. I don't think these were quite as successful as the first set,  but they were successful enough and better remembered today.

So maybe we won't see big budget movies that deal directly with events happening today, but we might see movies that are about the themes of our time.

(Though thinking about it a little more - we do get movies about those themes. For example, Winter Soldier, Spectre, Jason Bourne all had a theme of "what if someone collects all the information about us?", though they all dealt with them in a pretty shallow way. The Dark Knight and Star Trek Into Darkness both re-cast their bad guys with an eye to modern day terrorists, The Dark Knight Rises was "what if the mob takes over?" etc)

Guardian: A complacent Hollywood ignored rightwing radicalism - now movies need to tell the truth. Qix Nov 14, 11:34

Though there plenty of movies that covered post 9-11/Iraq war world issues. Most of them flopped. RogerMore Nov 14, 12:26

True, but mostly if you focus on home runs - & maybe some of the failures merely reflected quality issues? Qix Nov 14, 13:24

Green Zone offered an intelligent perspective, and it flopped. Hurt Locker won Best Picture and Best Director, and made under $20M domestic. RogerMore Nov 14, 17:12

Of course, however I'm optimistic artists will continue to find ways to articulate the current situation & navigate the various obstacles. {nm} Qix Nov 14, 18:33

Definitely true on the artistic side, and maybe we'll see something on the commercial side too. RogerMore Nov 14, 19:49

Jarhead didn't make it's money back (at least no from theaters), Goats was a comedy, Dark Side made 250k {nm} JDolphin Nov 14, 17:21

1) $62m from $72m budget = a wash overall, which was my point. 2) Genre is irrelevant. 3) Won Best Doc & (like Locker) enjoyed an afterlife. {nm} Qix Nov 14, 18:41

the studio only gets abt 50% so that's alot less than a wash. If you want big studios to make these movies they have to make a profit. {nm} JDolphin Nov 14, 20:41

Rule of thumb: gross prodn budget domestically/get yr money back via ancillaries over time. Esp relevant with this cast during DVD boom yrs. {nm} Qix Nov 15, 02:26

G: Through the gates of hell: Trump as America's first declinist president Antibody Nov 14, 12:29

That last paragraph is particularly ominous. This worries me too... Qix Nov 14, 13:43





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