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Having the question "Are you a citizen?" on the Census in the current political climate discourages people from participating.

Posted by: DTravel on May 30, 12:45 in response to forlorne's post "Rig the census"? Are you seriously contending...

This makes the Census inaccurate.  I was an Enumerator in the 2010 census (one of the people going door to door after the April deadline to spot check surveys and conduct surveys on those households that didn't mail theirs in) and we were told in no uncertain terms to read the questions on the census exactly as written so as to be as objective as possible.  Individual household's Census information is absolutely sacrasanct and NOT AVAILABLE TO ANYONE.  The Secret Service's Presidential Protection Detail asked for information about DC residents when trying to determine where Truman would live while the White House was being rebuilt.  AND WAS DENIED.  There was an incident in Colorado in IIRC 1980 where the local FBI field office RAIDED AND HELD a Census office in an attempt to get information for some drug case.  After one of the Census workers called their surperiors for help it went up to the head of the Census Bureau.  Who called the head of the FBI (at dinner), who then made a "WTF do you think you are doing?" phone call to the agent in charge.

When an administration as blatantly racist and xenophobic as the current one forces the question "Are you a citizen?" be put on the Census against the advice of the Bureau, it undermines belief in that confidentiality.  That causes people to not answer or lie, which distorts our "picture" of the population living in the country.  Census Bureau information is used by ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT to help them determine funding distribution and budgets.  City, County, State as well as Federal.  What do you think happens when they budget for population X and the real population is X+15%?

NYT: new docs reveal GOP's gerrymander guru also behind the party's drive to rig the 2020 census against Democrats professor zovek May 30, 09:01

"Rig the census"? Are you seriously contending "are you a citizen"? is somehow rigging it? Synonyms: forlorne May 30, 12:26

Having the question "Are you a citizen?" on the Census in the current political climate discourages people from participating. DTravel May 30, 12:45

Under counting undocumented people would "misrepresent" the actual population living in the United Sates. {nm} Antibody May 30, 13:05

Illegal aliens are foreign nationals. Their representation is their consulate, not the Congress. Thus they do not need to be counted Nobody May 30, 15:54

"counting the whole number of persons in each State" which includes women, children, permanent residents and undocumented residents. {nm} Antibody May 30, 17:23

There ARE other categories besides "Citizen" and "Illegal" you know. There are a lot of non-citizens in the US legally DTravel May 30, 20:56

Finding out how many there are is a legitimate public interest. And it does dilute the votes of every citizen when people here illegally forlorne May 31, 07:40

If that is your primary concern then adding a citizenship question to the Census is counter-productive. {nm} DTravel May 31, 10:24

So asking if someone is a citizen is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to finding out how many people aren't citizens? By forlorne Jun 03, 10:38

the Constitution doesn't limit the mandated census to counting "citizens." just the actual population professor zovek May 30, 13:39

But the 14th amendment section 2 describes Representatives for Citizens. Thus Representatives are apportioned in Article 2 for Citizens Nobody May 30, 15:48

I meant Article 1 section 2, not Article 2, in the second sentence {nm} Nobody May 30, 16:02

Not the only reason for the Census. {nm} DTravel May 30, 20:57

Also, "new docs" reveal no such thing, all they reveal is that he once wrote about it before he died. {nm} forlorne May 31, 07:48

Two POTUS flunkies lied about Hoeffler's involvement in the census process to conceal the White House's true intent from the courts professor zovek May 31, 08:48





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