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The brand wouldn't be the draw it is now without Downey

Posted by: EdwardHavens on Jul 28, 12:39 in response to Moviesnob's post you could argue they dont need him if Guardians opens...

It's like sports. When you sign a player to a high-paying, long-term contract, you're paying for what you hope the future will be like based on what happened in the past. Sometimes, it's a good idea. Sometimes, it's not. You pay Downey the big bucks because he helped you make the brand what it is. Cast, say, Nic Cage as Iron Man, and you're brand is probably dead after the first Iron Man film. No Thor. No Cap. No Black Widow. No Avengers. No Guardians. No nothing.

RS says low 80's for Guardians. if that happens then what happens to Downey's money truck? {nm} Moviesnob Jul 28, 08:15

Why would it have any effect on Downey's money truck? Assuming they want to keep making Iron Man movies, they still need him... {nm} ~JPV~ Jul 28, 08:21

you could argue they dont need him if Guardians opens that huge in august. it'll prove the brand is the draw. {nm} Moviesnob Jul 28, 08:30

You could, but Marvel isn't going to want to give up the IM franchise and Downey is key to that. They can do both IM and GOTG {nm} ~JPV~ Jul 28, 08:45

Valid points from both of you. I lean slightly toward the "little effect for Downey" camp since Marvel should be wise enough to know ShawnMR Jul 28, 09:10

+1 {nm} Dorfman Jul 28, 10:01

until last week, the marketing was seen as a negative, cast was a risk, the concept is another space opera, and there were no reviews Moviesnob Jul 28, 11:34

from the beginning I've liked the trailer and away from this forum it seemed 50/50. I never thought it would come in lobogotti Jul 28, 12:15

Have we collectively forgotten about RS's reliability? Let wait until we have some Fandango data. {nm} Antibody Jul 28, 12:40

I haven't forgotten, nor have I assumed it's going to open in the 80's. I find that doubtful, regardless of tracking. However, I don't lobogotti Jul 28, 12:59

"if that happdns" means speculating {nm} Moviesnob Jul 28, 13:09

Per RogerMore's prediction database for the last 18 movies RS has done they are 75%, better than any else for that time period, although JDolphin Jul 28, 17:33

I went and checked RS's accuracy for those 18 movies against the other predictors for that same set of movies. BaconFund Jul 29, 09:19

Well, I guess I'm in the minority then. :) Disney's marketed this film to near perfection since day one, IMHO. {nm} ShawnMR Jul 29, 11:23

they can do both w/o Downey though. At least, thats the way I suspect marvel is thinking. I would guess hes coming back, but guardians will Moviesnob Jul 28, 11:32

The brand wouldn't be the draw it is now without Downey EdwardHavens Jul 28, 12:39

good points. there are maybe a few actors that could have had it succeed. Downey is witty and charismatic enough to not hate him for lobogotti Jul 28, 13:01

That's a Downey camp perspective. guardians opening huge gives marvel more leverage Moviesnob Jul 28, 13:12

per Forbes, he was the highest paid actor last year with $75. I think Marvel needs him more than he needs them {nm} JDolphin Jul 28, 21:30

One can equally ask why Sony and Eon pay DCRAI so damn much to play Bond when there are other options EdwardHavens Jul 29, 07:28

Thanks - anything for GSOUL? {nm} RogerMore Jul 28, 09:12

high 20's {nm} Moviesnob Jul 28, 11:37

Schwing. {nm} Was Bar Was Jul 28, 11:47

Thanks again {nm} RogerMore Jul 28, 11:49

Uh-oh. GOTG is plumetting on RT. All the way down to 96%. {nm} Bubba_Fett Jul 28, 09:46

Tailspin for sure. #BoxOfficeFail {nm} ~JPV~ Jul 28, 10:14





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