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Do you think it's really about manpower, or willpower? Gun ownership is popular in America, and few politicians want to be seen messing

Posted by: Roger More (a.k.a CaineFund) on Jan 22, 11:26 in response to Samuel_L_Bronkowitz's post Joe "I love being president" Biden says we...

with the rights of gun owners.  There simply isn't the political willpower to bring in gun controls similar to those in other countries. 

Anyway, it's relatively easy to buy guns and to buy ammunition, and the US has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world.  It also has the highest rate of gun homicides in the developed world.  This isn't a coincidence.  The two are clearly related.  If you can't come up with a plausible reason why easy access to guns does not lead to more gun deaths, then there's not much point in a discussion.

I'm not American, and I respect that Americans will decide what gun control laws they can have.  But I don't think they should make this choice on the basis of bad data or poor reasoning or denial of the obvious, and that's what your Chicago example was.

CNN: 5 people accidentally shot at 3 private gun shows. (where were the armed citizens to stop this!) Antibody Jan 21, 12:04

Um, did you bother to actually read the article? They all discharged *accidentally*. None of the incidents were a mass shooting. *facepalm* {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Jan 21, 14:00

Whoosh. Sarcasm went over your head. {nm} Antibody Jan 21, 14:49

We really need a sarcasm font then. {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Jan 21, 15:04

Pull! *BLAM* {nm} DTravel Jan 21, 20:41

Meanwhile, Chicago is outpacing 2012's murder rate. {nm} Samuel_L_Bronkowitz Jan 21, 20:47

meanwhile, every other developed nation that allows virtually no private gun ownership is not {nm} charlie Jan 21, 21:40

Chicago has some of the strictest laws against handguns in America. Samuel_L_Bronkowitz Jan 22, 03:28

Isn't Chicago right next to, say, Indiana - which doesn't? It's not as though Chicago is in a vacuum. {nm} RogerMore Jan 22, 07:02

Are you suggesting that criminals do not obey gun laws? Surely that cannot be the case! {nm} Samuel_L_Bronkowitz Jan 22, 07:37

I'm saying "why make it so easy for criminals to ignore them?" {nm} RogerMore Jan 22, 07:41

Joe "I love being president" Biden says we don't have the manpower to enforce the gun laws we have now. Samuel_L_Bronkowitz Jan 22, 10:19

Do you think it's really about manpower, or willpower? Gun ownership is popular in America, and few politicians want to be seen messing Roger More Jan 22, 11:26

Isn't the USA right next to Mexico? We can't/won't even control our own border, much less passage of weapons. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 10:07

The US/Mexico weapons traffic goes the other way. {nm} Roger More Jan 22, 11:09

For now, maybe. But, Mexican drug gangs are a force to be reconed with. If there's a criminal market in the US for what may become illegal edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 11:45

I think that's a fair assessment - but an incredibly perverse outcome, when a big part of their power is from access to US-sourced guns. RogerMore Jan 22, 12:38

Most citizens are not going to make criminals of themselves by buying illegal arms, no matter how much they edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 13:06

Hmmm... you are probably right about how ordinary people and criminal gangs will respond. I am more optimistic than you about whether RogerMore Jan 22, 14:01

Home invasion IS a growing threat. edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 14:32

I'm not being dismissive - when I talked about whether home invasions would become common, I was talking about the type you described. RogerMore Jan 22, 15:45

I was going to mention the varitey of characters on that site... edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 16:16





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