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I think that's a fair assessment - but an incredibly perverse outcome, when a big part of their power is from access to US-sourced guns.

Posted by: RogerMore on Jan 22, 12:38 in response to edzep - Port Monkey!'s post For now, maybe. But, Mexican drug gangs are a force to be...

I would guess the long term benefits would outweigh the short term ones - if the gangs have less access to guns, they would become weaker over time and eventually be broken by Mexican and US authorities. But i agree with your main point - a black market for guns and ammunition is going to create its own problems.

How many people - do you think - would be willing to buy guns from a black market source, knowing that the market is controlled by drug gangs? I mean, plenty of people didn't care about buying booze from criminals during Prohibition, but that was a different time. There are more substitutes for black market guns as well - say the law prevents you from buying a semi automatic weapon, but not a shotgun or a handgun.  If your reason for owning a gun is personal safety, I think the average person would not bother with the hassle of buying an illegal gun on the black market and buy a legal one instead.

CNN: 5 people accidentally shot at 3 private gun shows. (where were the armed citizens to stop this!) Antibody Jan 21, 12:04

Um, did you bother to actually read the article? They all discharged *accidentally*. None of the incidents were a mass shooting. *facepalm* {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Jan 21, 14:00

Whoosh. Sarcasm went over your head. {nm} Antibody Jan 21, 14:49

We really need a sarcasm font then. {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Jan 21, 15:04

Pull! *BLAM* {nm} DTravel Jan 21, 20:41

Meanwhile, Chicago is outpacing 2012's murder rate. {nm} Samuel_L_Bronkowitz Jan 21, 20:47

meanwhile, every other developed nation that allows virtually no private gun ownership is not {nm} charlie Jan 21, 21:40

Chicago has some of the strictest laws against handguns in America. Samuel_L_Bronkowitz Jan 22, 03:28

Isn't Chicago right next to, say, Indiana - which doesn't? It's not as though Chicago is in a vacuum. {nm} RogerMore Jan 22, 07:02

Are you suggesting that criminals do not obey gun laws? Surely that cannot be the case! {nm} Samuel_L_Bronkowitz Jan 22, 07:37

I'm saying "why make it so easy for criminals to ignore them?" {nm} RogerMore Jan 22, 07:41

Joe "I love being president" Biden says we don't have the manpower to enforce the gun laws we have now. Samuel_L_Bronkowitz Jan 22, 10:19

Do you think it's really about manpower, or willpower? Gun ownership is popular in America, and few politicians want to be seen messing Roger More Jan 22, 11:26

Isn't the USA right next to Mexico? We can't/won't even control our own border, much less passage of weapons. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 10:07

The US/Mexico weapons traffic goes the other way. {nm} Roger More Jan 22, 11:09

For now, maybe. But, Mexican drug gangs are a force to be reconed with. If there's a criminal market in the US for what may become illegal edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 11:45

I think that's a fair assessment - but an incredibly perverse outcome, when a big part of their power is from access to US-sourced guns. RogerMore Jan 22, 12:38

Most citizens are not going to make criminals of themselves by buying illegal arms, no matter how much they edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 13:06

Hmmm... you are probably right about how ordinary people and criminal gangs will respond. I am more optimistic than you about whether RogerMore Jan 22, 14:01

Home invasion IS a growing threat. edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 14:32

I'm not being dismissive - when I talked about whether home invasions would become common, I was talking about the type you described. RogerMore Jan 22, 15:45

I was going to mention the varitey of characters on that site... edzep - Port Monkey! Jan 22, 16:16





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