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Great discussion board. Really enjoying the data. So what we have -- (full take inside).

Posted by: VictorY on Apr 06, 17:19 in response to Moviesnob's post Lets take a look at total multiples for "Marvel new...

We may CM looking at a mulitple around "Ghost Rider," and "Daredevil" for mulitples for Marvel solo films. (Cringe).

CM does have a lot more money to its overall box office gross than those films (naturally) but will struggle to beat both "The Hunger Games" (408 million) and "Wonder Woman" (412 million) on the domestic side despite having a higher opening than both films. Although there's alot of assumptions here on how it gets there.  Could happen.  Could not.

Not to break a lot of bubbles here, but what I'm seeing here is just how strong "Wonder Woman" really was. It had a 103 opening - "Captain Marvel" had a 153 opening -- and yet WW will still finish with a higher overall US Domestic gross.

I get it, you really want "Captain Marvel" to be the biggest film out there and use it to mock and "replace" a bunch of people you don't like (or something). Off what I'm reading in these posts.  But this audience you're trying to bully and mock also "fully" embraced Wonder Woman and helped it become a bigger US domestic performer. So you want me to just join in and just keep mocking them also?  Why would I ever do that?

You want those higher numbers? The higher multiples? Then you go for the biggest US audience possible. That's always been my view.  Otherwise you just feel like another "Spiderman 3," or other such titles.

Awesome board. The reason I love HSX so much is its the only place I really get to talk film anaysis in this way.  Kudos.

Lets take a look at total multiples for "Marvel new character solo films" Moviesnob Apr 06, 13:23

inb4 he makes some pointless Spider-Man 3 comparison again. Btw, that film had a 2.2 multiplier. And he always ignores CM's smaller budget. HurricaneKid Apr 06, 13:31

Thanks for this. I'm sorry you had to do it, but find it valuable in it's own right. {nm} Wellespring Apr 06, 13:59

It's still pacing nicely ahead of Hunger Games that it could make it to 400M. {nm} Jay_Beezy Apr 06, 14:37

Don't see it beating HG's final gross of 408. Doesn't have the same legs. {nm} VictorY Apr 06, 15:38

Their opening weekends were just 1M apart. As of Thursday CM is 19M ahead. RattyBatty Apr 06, 16:11

Endgame is giving it a boost. Its general audience number increased from week 1 to week 2 so non fans are catching up Moviesnob Apr 06, 16:37

Really its 19m ahead and is still neck and neck on a daily basis against stronger competition. {nm} hotsambatcho Apr 06, 18:14

Awesome chart MS. So CM is at "Ghost Rider" and "Daredevil" levels in multiple (Ouch).. Neither of those were really embraced by fans. VictorY Apr 06, 15:35

"The lower your opening weekend, the easier it is to hit a 3 multiple." {nm} Wellespring Apr 06, 15:42

I get that.. but we're talking CM being at GS and DD levels here. That doesn't scream strength to me. {nm} VictorY Apr 06, 15:46

Captain Marvel has more than doubled the combined worldwide grosses of GR and DD. HurricaneKid Apr 06, 16:45

Combined, those two only grossed ~407.92 WW - which CMARV could hit domestically. {nm} Qix Apr 06, 15:48

We're talking the film mulitples, not the overall gross. {nm} VictorY Apr 06, 15:50

Marvel is 18.5m above Hunger Games after 29-days from almost identical opening. Appreciate Shazam & Endgame will hurt, but multiple is fine. {nm} Qix Apr 06, 15:58

What matters is how you finish, not how you start. Don't see CM beating HG #'s overall {nm} VictorY Apr 06, 16:00

You're spreading misinformation again. Captain Marvel's total multiple will be within 5% of Hunger Games. Moviesnob Apr 06, 16:23

Within 5 percent? So it'd be a lower multiple, you're saying? {nm} VictorY Apr 06, 16:48

40% weekly drops during weeks 5-7 (~33.3m total) get it to ~395m prior to Endgame, anything above that is just more gravy for Disney... {nm} Qix Apr 06, 16:33

aside from all this, how are you doing these days? staying well i hope! {nm} Moviesnob Apr 06, 16:38

Ha, yes thanks. Enjoying your analysis here ... ~400m = a wonderful result. Best wishes from the antipodes! {nm} Qix Apr 06, 16:55

thats great to hear! And thanks! although its less an analysis and more a reality check {nm} Moviesnob Apr 06, 17:03

Actually Studios would rather have a 400m film with a 150 opening then one with a 100m opening AJRimmer Apr 07, 08:50

thats not true anymore. Most films dont use a rolling film rental anymore {nm} Moviesnob Apr 07, 08:53

Of course as you ignore the facts and make things up to fit your narrow view. It will pass HG. {nm} hotsambatcho Apr 07, 08:52

Great discussion board. Really enjoying the data. So what we have -- (full take inside). VictorY Apr 06, 17:19

Are you a cherry picker for a living? HurricaneKid Apr 06, 18:41

At this point you are just being ignorant or a troll. Probably both. HSX is a site for people who love movies, jamesbik333 Apr 06, 18:50

Your entire argument that it's not a success is based on a single point - its multiplier compared to other first outings numbersix_99 Apr 07, 05:04

There was an Elektra movie?! {nm} forlorne Apr 08, 09:15





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