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The Hollands/the Netherlands debate -first off,I'm wondering if other constituent countries within the kingdom have their own national teams

Posted by: Facto on Jul 09, 15:19

within soccer/futbol (agghh, *football*)

And of course, the two regions named Holland do not have their own national team - so your TV screen will most likely say NED, as abbreviation of the team name. Although I'm sure it has at times (not in this world cup, I believe?) said HOL as well. As the two Holland regions don't have their own, collective "natinal"/regional team, no one can be confused that when it says HOL or Holland, they are referring to, of course, the national team of the Netherlands.

(I take it that Holland is in popular usage as it's short - only two syllables - whereas the Netherlands is a veritable mouthful. It's a bit like substituting Chris for Christopher, Fannie May for.... Whatever. And so on and so forth WinkĀ )

The Hollands/the Netherlands debate -first off,I'm wondering if other constituent countries within the kingdom have their own national teams Facto Jul 09, 15:19

Seems all the countries have their own national football teams - witness the Caribbean countries' membership in the CONCACAF Facto Jul 09, 15:31

How many of you had thought that the EU (European Union) is well represented within the Americas? Well, seems it is: Facto Jul 09, 16:21

I learned something else new from that link - Greece has an "autonomous monastic region" How cool is that. {nm} daveart Jul 09, 16:24

Haven't checked it, but lemme guess - Macedonia? {nm} Facto Jul 09, 16:32

Disregard that; it's Mount Athos, *within* the Greek region of Macedonia... {nm} Facto Jul 09, 18:16

Holland and The Netherlands are both correct. The confusion is due to... JMT Jul 10, 01:24

I don't get this logic. Both regions named Holland are to the west, facing the coast. All the rest of the Netherlands is to the north, east Facto Jul 11, 02:25

Or actually, in English it's called "The Flying Dutchman", but the original title seems to have been Der fliegende Hollânder. Facto Jul 11, 02:33

Alright, check this out - Holland or Netherland is easy to google, it actually even comes up as a suggestion, when you type "holland or.. " Facto Jul 11, 04:23

And a powerful appeal is also found within the article I linked to above: Facto Jul 11, 04:56

I stand in awe of all this fact-digging. Your name is aptly chosen. But... JMT Jul 12, 04:16

Yeah, that part about the Dutch.. Unexplored territory, so far :-) However, I think that article made good and fair points. Holland may be Facto Jul 12, 06:44

Let's also for instance see what Berkeley University (and various other sources, including official Dutch ones) state on the issue: Facto Jul 12, 07:34

Haha... you are obsessed ! Thanks anyway. Good research {nm} JMT Jul 12, 11:36

I love this kinda stuff :-) Facto Jul 12, 12:56





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