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I don't get this logic. Both regions named Holland are to the west, facing the coast. All the rest of the Netherlands is to the north, east

Posted by: Facto on Jul 11, 02:25 in response to JMT's post Holland and The Netherlands are both correct. The...

or south of the two regions named Holland.

Also, the Wikipedia-article clearly suggests The Netherlands being the above all correct usage - as does the fact that almost everywhere I see, both official sources, and friends on Facebook, the Netherlands is used. I can copy in a message from Facebook for you:

"I'm from the north ('Holland' is only the western part) and always say 'Netherlands' but when cheering a team 'Holland' is easier. I want to stress that I am not a 'Hollander', they are braggarts with too big mouths."

Since when did Holland become the correct name for the country? I've seen nothing to suggest this. We've always heard it, and it's old - "the flying Hollander" for instance, springs to mind. If you said it was the other way around - that Holland is the old name, and the Netherlands is the new one, I'd believe that. Either way, you are a Hollander, meaning, from the one of the two regions named Holland, and so your opinion doesn't count Tongue out

I mean, not in and off itself - but if you can find some official looking document or other source that says Holland is a more correct term for the Netherlands, that could be interesting. Because in all official circumstances, I see the Netherlands used, and so I'll take this guy named Joop's word for it, that Holland is simply used for the entire country, whenever it's easier, such as in cheering on the national team. I mean, who would argue that it's not much easier to say "Go, Holland!", than "Go, the Netherlands!" Wink

The Hollands/the Netherlands debate -first off,I'm wondering if other constituent countries within the kingdom have their own national teams Facto Jul 09, 15:19

Seems all the countries have their own national football teams - witness the Caribbean countries' membership in the CONCACAF Facto Jul 09, 15:31

How many of you had thought that the EU (European Union) is well represented within the Americas? Well, seems it is: Facto Jul 09, 16:21

I learned something else new from that link - Greece has an "autonomous monastic region" How cool is that. {nm} daveart Jul 09, 16:24

Haven't checked it, but lemme guess - Macedonia? {nm} Facto Jul 09, 16:32

Disregard that; it's Mount Athos, *within* the Greek region of Macedonia... {nm} Facto Jul 09, 18:16

Holland and The Netherlands are both correct. The confusion is due to... JMT Jul 10, 01:24

I don't get this logic. Both regions named Holland are to the west, facing the coast. All the rest of the Netherlands is to the north, east Facto Jul 11, 02:25

Or actually, in English it's called "The Flying Dutchman", but the original title seems to have been Der fliegende Hollânder. Facto Jul 11, 02:33

Alright, check this out - Holland or Netherland is easy to google, it actually even comes up as a suggestion, when you type "holland or.. " Facto Jul 11, 04:23

And a powerful appeal is also found within the article I linked to above: Facto Jul 11, 04:56

I stand in awe of all this fact-digging. Your name is aptly chosen. But... JMT Jul 12, 04:16

Yeah, that part about the Dutch.. Unexplored territory, so far :-) However, I think that article made good and fair points. Holland may be Facto Jul 12, 06:44

Let's also for instance see what Berkeley University (and various other sources, including official Dutch ones) state on the issue: Facto Jul 12, 07:34

Haha... you are obsessed ! Thanks anyway. Good research {nm} JMT Jul 12, 11:36

I love this kinda stuff :-) Facto Jul 12, 12:56





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