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I stand in awe of all this fact-digging. Your name is aptly chosen. But...

Posted by: JMT (a.k.a JMT-NL) on Jul 12, 04:16 in response to Facto's post And a powerful appeal is also found within the article I...

It again amazes me how much nonsense is available on the internet. The 'saying' GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND is so not true.

Anyone can make a case for f.i. the first apples being green, as another person can make a just as wordy/lengthy case for them being red, mainly by ignoring a lot of info that doesn't help their point of view.

Searchmachines can't spot the difference between serious, amateurish, whatever material.

I stand by what I learned in school many years ago; Once our country was called Holland. During the years surrounding land was confiscated and extra land was created( water was pumped away).

Then it was decided to call the bigger country Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden ( The Kingdom of the Lowlands )... which became 'Nederland' for short.

But the Dutch use HOLLAND as much as NEDERLAND when referring to their country. We see ourselves as HOLLANDERS en NEDERLANDERS in equal measure. And I mean even in one sentence. FI; a Dutch person can easily say; "I'm from Holland, you know the Netherlands"or the other way around. It's not a two-tribes-issue here.

Why they call us DUTCH is beyond me. Probably has to do something with our other neighbour; DUITSLAND, Germany... ( Dutchland ? )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Hollands/the Netherlands debate -first off,I'm wondering if other constituent countries within the kingdom have their own national teams Facto Jul 09, 15:19

Seems all the countries have their own national football teams - witness the Caribbean countries' membership in the CONCACAF Facto Jul 09, 15:31

How many of you had thought that the EU (European Union) is well represented within the Americas? Well, seems it is: Facto Jul 09, 16:21

I learned something else new from that link - Greece has an "autonomous monastic region" How cool is that. {nm} daveart Jul 09, 16:24

Haven't checked it, but lemme guess - Macedonia? {nm} Facto Jul 09, 16:32

Disregard that; it's Mount Athos, *within* the Greek region of Macedonia... {nm} Facto Jul 09, 18:16

Holland and The Netherlands are both correct. The confusion is due to... JMT Jul 10, 01:24

I don't get this logic. Both regions named Holland are to the west, facing the coast. All the rest of the Netherlands is to the north, east Facto Jul 11, 02:25

Or actually, in English it's called "The Flying Dutchman", but the original title seems to have been Der fliegende Hollânder. Facto Jul 11, 02:33

Alright, check this out - Holland or Netherland is easy to google, it actually even comes up as a suggestion, when you type "holland or.. " Facto Jul 11, 04:23

And a powerful appeal is also found within the article I linked to above: Facto Jul 11, 04:56

I stand in awe of all this fact-digging. Your name is aptly chosen. But... JMT Jul 12, 04:16

Yeah, that part about the Dutch.. Unexplored territory, so far :-) However, I think that article made good and fair points. Holland may be Facto Jul 12, 06:44

Let's also for instance see what Berkeley University (and various other sources, including official Dutch ones) state on the issue: Facto Jul 12, 07:34

Haha... you are obsessed ! Thanks anyway. Good research {nm} JMT Jul 12, 11:36

I love this kinda stuff :-) Facto Jul 12, 12:56





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