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I have big beefs with Broken Embraces.

Posted by: Toruk Facto (a.k.a Facto) on Jan 04, 17:13 in response to second gary's post "Broken Embraces," "Up in the air,"...

First off, who exactly were we to sympathize with? The movie was almost misanthropic. The gay director Almodovar seems to believe women are as base and nymphomaniac as people in gay bars. Perhaps some truly are, but why make movies about them? Do some love this movie because it's exotic, or do they see some true brilliance and insights there that neither I nor most of for instance British media did not see?

(Check RT, British reviewers seem to be less than 50% on it, not impressed, for the most part. I feel quite confident that there's nothing I missed, it's all about the "differentness" of Almodovar's personae/character gallery, and how lewd they are. Shock-factor, kind of. Debauchery and "European" morals. No, it's just dreck, and very subpar for him. I loved "Talk To Her" and "All About My Mother", though. Have Volver on DVD, but not seen it yet. At festivals this year, all but the most clueless were talking about how subpar Broken Embraces were. Don't get me wrong, I already said that to the person next to me, during end credits, before hearing anyone else's opinions. I'm not swayed like that. It's just surprising to me to see how American film enthusiasts seem to lap it up a lot more than Europeans, which leads me to think that Americans believe there's something European exotic about the film and its story. There is not. It's just off.)

Up in the Air wasn't quite there, either. It was decent, but if it's clearly one of the year's top three films, then that says a lot about the film year that was.. I'll see that one again, though, at some point. But Reitman still has some way to go. And Almodovar has been there, but lost focus.

So Who Saw What Last Week? (me - nada) {nm} islander Jan 04, 11:20

Vantage Point- B {nm} ndmaster Jan 04, 11:23

500 Days of Summer - B-, Changeling, - A, Up in the Air - B+, Squeakquel - B {nm} lapuckfan Jan 04, 11:28

The Lovely Bones - B, Universal Soldier: Regeneration - B-, {nm} wrongturn687 Jan 04, 11:37

Up In the Air: A, Princess and the Frog: A-, Avatar (again): A, The Young Victoria: B- {nm} CSBD Jan 04, 11:37

Midnight (1939) A , The Palm Beach Story (1942) A , Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers: Paris 1959 B + , and... joeoftexas Jan 04, 11:38

It's complicated. B+ {nm} Toruk Facto Jan 04, 11:46

Nine, B+; Paul Blart - Mall Cop, C; Emipre of the Sun, B+ {nm} edzep Jan 04, 11:50

Ocean's 13 (B)...Inglorious basterds (B)...Aliens (A) tealfan Jan 04, 11:57

UPAIR A-, Brothers B, The Road B, Sherlock Holmes D for Dreck, A Serious Man (A), Out of the Past (A), Eyes Without a Face (A) goodvibe61 Jan 04, 12:01

! You're the only one besides myself that I've seen put a D on Holmes. I'm more of a Jeremy Brett guy, though. {nm} edzep Jan 04, 15:34

What was so subpar about SHOLM, in you two guys' opinions? It's by far Ritchie's biggest success, anyways. It was alright holiday Toruk Facto Jan 04, 16:58

i didn't see it cuz it looked like poopoo but in no way should Sherlock Holmes be mixed up with Steampunking... {nm} Apokalips Jan 04, 19:38

Steampunk/Steampunking.. What does it actually mean? I didn't get the reference... {nm} Toruk Facto Jan 04, 21:52

Nevermind, I googled it - that wasn't hard... {nm} Toruk Facto Jan 04, 23:30

Avatar A+, The Road B, Tron C- (hasn't held up well over the years). {nm} FooFan Jan 04, 12:08

Charlie Wilsons War B, The ( J. Lewis ) Bellboy C+, Conf. of a Shopaholic B, Let the right one in ( 2nd viewing ) A- {nm} JMT Jan 04, 12:47

Hurt Locker, A // Up In The Air, B+ // I Love You Beth Cooper, B // Ghost Town, B- // Invention of Lying, B+ {nm} john Jan 04, 13:05

9 (not Nine) B; Forrest Gump A+; Blind Side B+ ; Invictus FAIL {nm} bennyboy10 Jan 04, 13:41

Nine, Sherlock Holmes and Avatar all in one evening. Triple Bill !! {nm} SteveWhiz Jan 04, 14:01

I saw Avatar (2nd viewing, 2D this time) and Sherlock Holmes back to back in a movie theatre in one evening this holiday - but I was well Toruk Facto Jan 04, 14:24

Up In the Air A (tempted to say A+) and Broken Embraces B+ (wld have been B- w/o the hilarious ref to Woman On the Verge of a Nerv. Brkdn). {nm} Diapason Jan 04, 14:04

looks like a lot of people had very good movie weeks, nice :) Hopefully I will have time to catch one this week {nm} islander Jan 04, 15:23

"Broken Embraces," "Up in the air," "Sherlock Holmes," all very fine. In SHOLM, my only beef apparent peril without consequences. second gary Jan 04, 15:52

I have big beefs with Broken Embraces. Toruk Facto Jan 04, 17:13

I appreciate that many reviewers who have enjoyed and praised other Almodovar have felt the door was open to dislike "Broken Embraces." second gary Jan 04, 18:56

Well, okay, good and serious answer, but Toruk Facto Jan 04, 21:33

A couple of years ago I gave a talk on the courtesan / prostitute who was the model for the hero... second gary Jan 04, 22:06

More excellent, informative and valuable points, but Toruk Facto Jan 04, 22:25

The French researcher was Alexandre Parent (aka Parent-Duchatelet). Concerning the imdb.com negative consensus you describe... second gary Jan 05, 05:48

A couple of things there (one spoiler) Toruk Facto Jan 05, 09:41





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