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The French researcher was Alexandre Parent (aka Parent-Duchatelet). Concerning the imdb.com negative consensus you describe...

Posted by: second gary (a.k.a 80181597) on Jan 05, 05:48 in response to Toruk Facto's post More excellent, informative and valuable points, but

... well, I think one of the things Almodovar does really well is to spend time with characters who are vulnerable to being judged harshly—whether they are powerless (Lena in 1994, the time of her father's illness) or not.  I've not lived in Spain, and certainly was not living there in the 1990s, so I can't say what the balance between public and private health care was then, or now.  It seems to me, though, from the current American health care debate that the idea of a family or a woman being financially ruined through a health crisis which cannot be paid for is not uncommon.  All to say I don't think "a regular job" would have solved the crisis of her father's poor treatment in what I presume was a state-run hospital, or a more modest private hospital.

One reviewer I read when the film was released, I recall, took issue with a scene at Lanzarote where Lena (PCRUZ) is on the lam from her miserable and cruel older lover, Martel.  She looks in a mirror and remarks how awful she looks.  The reviewer, iirc, couldn't help but remark how fond Almodovar is of letting the camera linger on PCRUZ in this film and others, and that the scene was weak or implausible because of this.  Well, whether or not there is an objective standard of "awfulness," there's a lot to be said about this image: first, the "awfulness" here is tiredness and mussed hair, rather than the open wounds and blood we see after she has spent time with Martel.  Second, Almodovar shows her image in the mirror, defamiliarizing it, and showing us what Lena (and PCRUZ sees) rather than offering an "unreflected," direct view of her.  All to say it's a more mundane "awfulness" than the kind she has been trying to escape in Madrid, and I find that touching. 

I think, even here, Almodovar takes the time to put someone in front of the camera we are tempted to judge, and then he encourages us to wait, and to see someone more completely, first.

So Who Saw What Last Week? (me - nada) {nm} islander Jan 04, 11:20

Vantage Point- B {nm} ndmaster Jan 04, 11:23

500 Days of Summer - B-, Changeling, - A, Up in the Air - B+, Squeakquel - B {nm} lapuckfan Jan 04, 11:28

The Lovely Bones - B, Universal Soldier: Regeneration - B-, {nm} wrongturn687 Jan 04, 11:37

Up In the Air: A, Princess and the Frog: A-, Avatar (again): A, The Young Victoria: B- {nm} CSBD Jan 04, 11:37

Midnight (1939) A , The Palm Beach Story (1942) A , Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers: Paris 1959 B + , and... joeoftexas Jan 04, 11:38

It's complicated. B+ {nm} Toruk Facto Jan 04, 11:46

Nine, B+; Paul Blart - Mall Cop, C; Emipre of the Sun, B+ {nm} edzep Jan 04, 11:50

Ocean's 13 (B)...Inglorious basterds (B)...Aliens (A) tealfan Jan 04, 11:57

UPAIR A-, Brothers B, The Road B, Sherlock Holmes D for Dreck, A Serious Man (A), Out of the Past (A), Eyes Without a Face (A) goodvibe61 Jan 04, 12:01

! You're the only one besides myself that I've seen put a D on Holmes. I'm more of a Jeremy Brett guy, though. {nm} edzep Jan 04, 15:34

What was so subpar about SHOLM, in you two guys' opinions? It's by far Ritchie's biggest success, anyways. It was alright holiday Toruk Facto Jan 04, 16:58

i didn't see it cuz it looked like poopoo but in no way should Sherlock Holmes be mixed up with Steampunking... {nm} Apokalips Jan 04, 19:38

Steampunk/Steampunking.. What does it actually mean? I didn't get the reference... {nm} Toruk Facto Jan 04, 21:52

Nevermind, I googled it - that wasn't hard... {nm} Toruk Facto Jan 04, 23:30

Avatar A+, The Road B, Tron C- (hasn't held up well over the years). {nm} FooFan Jan 04, 12:08

Charlie Wilsons War B, The ( J. Lewis ) Bellboy C+, Conf. of a Shopaholic B, Let the right one in ( 2nd viewing ) A- {nm} JMT Jan 04, 12:47

Hurt Locker, A // Up In The Air, B+ // I Love You Beth Cooper, B // Ghost Town, B- // Invention of Lying, B+ {nm} john Jan 04, 13:05

9 (not Nine) B; Forrest Gump A+; Blind Side B+ ; Invictus FAIL {nm} bennyboy10 Jan 04, 13:41

Nine, Sherlock Holmes and Avatar all in one evening. Triple Bill !! {nm} SteveWhiz Jan 04, 14:01

I saw Avatar (2nd viewing, 2D this time) and Sherlock Holmes back to back in a movie theatre in one evening this holiday - but I was well Toruk Facto Jan 04, 14:24

Up In the Air A (tempted to say A+) and Broken Embraces B+ (wld have been B- w/o the hilarious ref to Woman On the Verge of a Nerv. Brkdn). {nm} Diapason Jan 04, 14:04

looks like a lot of people had very good movie weeks, nice :) Hopefully I will have time to catch one this week {nm} islander Jan 04, 15:23

"Broken Embraces," "Up in the air," "Sherlock Holmes," all very fine. In SHOLM, my only beef apparent peril without consequences. second gary Jan 04, 15:52

I have big beefs with Broken Embraces. Toruk Facto Jan 04, 17:13

I appreciate that many reviewers who have enjoyed and praised other Almodovar have felt the door was open to dislike "Broken Embraces." second gary Jan 04, 18:56

Well, okay, good and serious answer, but Toruk Facto Jan 04, 21:33

A couple of years ago I gave a talk on the courtesan / prostitute who was the model for the hero... second gary Jan 04, 22:06

More excellent, informative and valuable points, but Toruk Facto Jan 04, 22:25

The French researcher was Alexandre Parent (aka Parent-Duchatelet). Concerning the imdb.com negative consensus you describe... second gary Jan 05, 05:48

A couple of things there (one spoiler) Toruk Facto Jan 05, 09:41





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