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Snob your have the confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. Also YOU'RE the racist. In your world a director, or actor can't stand on...

Posted by: Baron_Darcon2017 on Mar 18, 00:17 in response to Moviesnob's post but you won't know that b/c you don't have access to the...

their own.  You need to prop up select groups eand any criticism of a nonwhite is racist to you, instead of valid. Any criticims of a female is sexist instead of deserved.

Snob, YOU suffer from the bigotry of low expectations.

Snob, You attribute the worst possible motivations for anyone disagreeing with you, but then again you are a self described snob and you think you analysis matters.

MLK said just someone by their actions not the color of their skin.  Snob you do the opposite, you are an affirmitive action critic. Snob you give extra kudos based on gender or race or politics and don't evaluate work objectively.

You're the one that ignores data that doesn't fit your preconcieved conclusions.
FACT SW TLJ earned 700M LESS than TFA globally.
FACT TLJ had the most rapid decrease in box office. BOM Rogue.v Force Awakens v Last Jedi illustrates that.http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=roguevforce.htm
FACT TLJ bombed in China
FACT TLJ earned 316 million less than TFA domestic.
FACT TLJ toy and merchandise sales down significantly.

Disney considered Avengers 2 a bomb when Avengers 2 only earned 1.4 billion.. they expected to earn more than Avengers 1.  Ridiculous to call Avengers 2 a bomb but the projected  Avengers 2 to earn a LOT more.

Marvel's dominance shows sequels can go UP in revenue, not down...... if done right.

The Rotten Tomatoes scores you discount because some person said they targeted the scores. You had an article on it but ignored conflcting data.

First Rule of Science:  claims require proof, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof...  I can say I have a million dollars, you can't disprove it... I'd have to prove it.  Likewise the person who claimed they tanked the RT scores needed to provide proof.  RT claims their system wasn't unduly influenced.  You discount the acutal people that should know, the RT IT professionals.. Of course it's in RT own interest to maintain credibility to claim they aren't being manipulated. You dismiss RT out of hand, not the opinion of a sampling of 186,000 ratings. Metacritc user score, IMDB user reviews.

From reading nearly every page on RT on the SW TLJ audeince reviews since Dec opening you could conclude that the 5 star reviews are the FAKE reviews, paid for by Disney or done by SW fanatics that can't accept any criticims.  From reading all those reviews a common thing to note is whenever you see the % sign the review is brief and almost almost always positive with no profile  Done to prop up the score.  The negative reviews are much more elaborate, detailed and specific and the postive reviews were more general praise but few specifics. Also since the RT reviews over flow from page to page, a spreadsheet or every other page sampling would be better. Suspect RT is rigging the system so rating can't plummet futher since the reviews with explanations would have TLJ more at around 30% or lower. RT admitted to altering their reviews for BP so it's less credible now.  i doubt there is any movie with more audience reviews than TLJ, currently TFA has more
 user ratings but that'll change over time.

Sure there are groups that will target different movies but how significant and affect are those is what  is debatable.  You pointed out self reporting vs Comscore audience scores but neglected to focus on the audience that sees a movie opening night and opening weekend are not necessarily the continuious demographics of the audience. Outsized weighting should be given to the demographic that see the movie multiple times. The % that says they'll see it again for movies with a devoted fanbase will have an outsized weighting. First weekend TLJ had 67% male audeince which dropped to 58% second weekend. SW was always a predominantly male franchise but not exclusive... the female audience that Kennedy is going for are not the same rapid fans.

The fanbase of SW made it into the merchandizing juggernaut it was.. The fans kept SW alive for the last 40 years, buying the toys, video games, books, DVD, tie-ins, clothing, etc.  The some of the millions of fans will post and express their displeasure but SW has cultural momentum.  Just like Transformers franchise crashed, DCEU crashed with Justice League,

The fact that toy sales have DRAMATICALLY DECREASED is igored by you.  Lucus knew that the toys had to be interesting, fun... Disney ignored that, many characters are undeveloped, uninteresting.  The toys have minor color changes, redundant, or expensive.....In a time when they have to compete for attention from video games that's shortsighted.  As a result... Their toys decayed on shelf... Toy sales dropped approximately 50% year over year so 2017 was around 25% of Force Awakens... Even worse since 4th quarter 2017 reported an additional 20% decrease.. Most of the money from SW is made from the merchandise!! 3 times more than the movie.  The SW toys are on clearance all over, except the OT toys and a few select ones. Every ToyRUs has millions in unsellable SW merchandise. Coincidence that ToyRUs is now bankrupt and closing?  Yup, I know the leverage buyout killed ToyRUs but TLJ finished ToyRUs off.

You ignored the video game catastrophe of SW Battlefrone II.. that microtransaction further damaged the brand and angered the fanbase. Lost millions of units in sales of the game which is tens of millions of dollars and generated ill will against EA and Disney. Disney screwed up by making ther title exclusive to EA instead of a competition for the best game and eliminated the LucasFilm in house game develpment.

Youtube views on SW Solo has the lowest in the series as well. Sure it's not released yet but since you're in the media industry you can bother to investigate the relative views per day for each movie.

The SJW characters from SW Sequels are compartively weak.  Watch  two great youtube videos:
If Rey Were Luke- A new Hope: Mary Sue Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE2at2Wo9sU

Empire Strikes Back: The Last Jedi Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoLJYGS0ZUI

from IDRLabs...

calling Rey a Mary Sue isn't sexist either.. she's horrible written.  All the charaters from SW Sequals are poorly written.

Check out Mauler's 3 part series on The Last Jedi
A Critique of Star Wars: The Last Jedi Part 1

A Critique of Star Wars: The Last Jedi Part 2

A Critique of Star Wars: The Last Jedi Part 3

You're the one that can't accept data that doesn't support YOUR conclusions. Sure TLJ made 619 million which makes it not a bomb buty it's multipler is only 2.8 overall.

The damage to the fanchise will be revealed in Solo and IX...

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Anyone following the SW The Last Jedi Blu-ray, 4k, DVD releasing? On Blu-ray.com Last Jedi is not ranked under preorders... Baron_Darcon2017 Mar 17, 15:02

That's because pre-orders aren't available on Amazon, no Disney titles are IIRC. Some kind of dispute between the two. {nm} -JPV- Mar 17, 15:21

However, after the release date, they'll be available to purchase. {nm} -JPV- Mar 17, 15:22

This has happened in the past, I believe they (Amazon) did the same to Warner a couple years ago. {nm} -JPV- Mar 17, 15:24

its standard with Disney titles and has been for awhile. There's only one place where DVD/BD sales are tracked accurately - videoscan Moviesnob Mar 17, 15:29

Did know stuckupsnob, I use thenumber.com and bluray for an idea. Just have to wait another month until on thenumber.com for validity. {nm} Baron_Darcon2017 Mar 17, 15:57

the-numbers.com are just estimates and they are not accurate so you'll have to find something else to cling your racism to! Moviesnob Mar 17, 16:16

Ah racism charge.... used when leftists loses arguments... The.numbers..com will be close enough to prove TLK is worst selling SW title. {nm} Baron_Darcon2017 Mar 17, 17:08

but you won't know that b/c you don't have access to the actual information. Thats the problem with being both stupid and having Moviesnob Mar 17, 17:30

Damn. {nm} ShawnMR Mar 17, 17:53

First off, how is not liking SW TLK racist???? Second, I asked why it wasn't ranked, didn't see likely it wasn't ranked Baron_Darcon2017 Mar 17, 18:29

lol Since you used a pejorative first...only fair MS identifies you as a racist. So, since you were first...I guess you really lost the Catzan Mar 18, 00:08

Snob often attacks people with differing points of view and attributes it to the worst possible motivations. Trying to deligitimizing any. Baron_Darcon2017 Mar 18, 00:47

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." {nm} Wellespring Mar 18, 06:40

Conservative nerd arguments are the most tedious, boring arguments in all the land. {nm} Bronzey Mar 18, 07:08

Snob your have the confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. Also YOU'RE the racist. In your world a director, or actor can't stand on... Baron_Darcon2017 Mar 18, 00:17

Hilarious that you target TLJ as some sort of disaster, as if the original trilogy is a work of art numbersix_99 Mar 18, 02:48

I agree TFA was a retread I give it 3.5/10. TLJ ruined Luke's legacy from the EU. Failed in China for many reasons, popup video blurbs .. Baron_Darcon2017 Mar 18, 21:52

and it wouldn't matter if moviesnob was conservative or not. He is always respectful of other posters and uses actual data, research and CSBD Mar 19, 13:22

why do we have to put up with this **** constantly on the board again? {nm} slipping jimmy Mar 18, 08:49

It's ridiculous. {nm} CSBD Mar 18, 09:43

Agreed. This post might get deleted, but I have to say this... STONYRN Mar 18, 11:52

Ruin Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy openly talk about the feminist agenda for SW, the female only SW story group, the force is female.. Baron_Darcon2017 Mar 18, 21:52

All the main characters are flawed but largely compelling. Flaws are what make someone interesting numbersix_99 Mar 19, 01:55





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