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Because they don't earn enough money.

Posted by: RogerMore on Apr 16, 11:03 in response to forlorne's post 44% pay no federal income taxes at all

40% of those people are retirees who don't have enough income to pay tax.

Most of the rest are in work, but not making enough to pay income taxes (people in low-income careers, but also people like students working part-time who'll presumably have greater income-earning opportunities in the future), or who do but also collect tax credits such as the Earned Income Credit or the Tax Child Credit, which offset the income tax they do pay.

So it's not as though these 44% are a bunch of moochers ripping off the system.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/81-million-americans-wont-pay-any-federal-income-taxes-this-year-heres-why-2018-04-16

It's more that income and wealth are concentrated, so of course those people who earn and own more are the ones paying taxes. And then the burden falls harder on income than it does on wealth - well-paid doctors, lawyers, engineers, entertainers, etc pay a lot of tax, but people who own a lot - eg investors, property owners - don't pay as much (eg capital gains tax rates are lower than income tax rates, and they become due only on sale of the asset).

Really, you want to increase the # of people who earn enough to pay federal income tax (so the system isn't reliant on only 56% of people), increase the share of taxes due from wealth (because why should productive activity like work be taxed more heavily than passive investment?), and ensure that the benefits of any tax reductions (because with more income earners + more tax from owners/investors, you'd be able to offer lower tax rates) get spread around rather than centred on the highest earning/wealthiest people.

"Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax Cut". The Tax Policy Center estimates 65% of people paid less under the law, 6% paid more, 29%-no change PhoneHome Apr 15, 06:20

just finished taxes. total owed between fed and state: $586 OUCH {nm} islndr Apr 15, 07:01

between that and the miniscule extra i got weekly, it was a wash {nm} islndr Apr 15, 07:02

Had to pay for the first time in many many years ($3000)...ouch {nm} YouDontKnow Apr 15, 09:01

Ouch indeed. Something's not set up right. Be sure to adjust the amount being withheld from your check to avoid a repeat this year. {nm} PhoneHome Apr 15, 09:47

what's the expression?...moving furniture around? {nm} tealfan Apr 15, 09:56

"Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic." {nm} DTravel Apr 15, 12:58

that sweet $1.50 a week professor zovek Apr 15, 13:45

I paid less but I had to go to an accountant to figure out where to deduct my work expenses and I moved to a state Moviesnob Apr 15, 13:54

Sounds like Texas, Florida, or Nevada. {nm} PhoneHome Apr 15, 20:02

stars at night... {nm} Moviesnob Apr 15, 20:25

So you were in the 29% break even and not in the majority. Sucks to be you. {nm} PhoneHome Apr 15, 20:01

on average, Jamie Dimon and I are saving a couple billion a year between the two of us. score! {nm} professor zovek Apr 15, 22:41

44% pay no federal income taxes at all {nm} forlorne Apr 16, 07:36

Because they don't earn enough money. RogerMore Apr 16, 11:03

I get it, I wasn't making any point about "mooching", just that if you don't pay any taxes, you can't get a lower forlorne Apr 16, 14:02

How do you feel about the largest corporations in the USA not paying any tax at all? Zip. Zero. Zilch. {nm} BSmurf Apr 16, 17:17

Corporations do not pay tax, it is just another hidden tax on whoever uses their products. Passed on as a cost of doing business. {nm} forlorne Apr 17, 06:19

Exactly! If their tax goes up, their price goes up. Then you pay the tax. When their tax goes down, your 401k goes up, economy benefits. {nm} PhoneHome Apr 17, 08:44

record corportate profits and multimillion dollar ceos, yet cant pay a liveable wage. and you know most americans dont have a 401k islndr Apr 17, 09:12

Wages are based on supply and demand. If there is a line of people that can and want to do what you do, wages forlorne Apr 17, 12:09

False information. Corporations do pay "living wages" and most working Americans do have 401k's or other retirement plans. {nm} PhoneHome Apr 17, 12:57

"only 32% of Americans are saving for retirement in a 401(k)" (and that includes miniscule amounts too) islndr Apr 17, 13:24

1-what are we to do about people not saving for the future? The huge majority COULD save something, and the sooner they start the less it forlorne Apr 17, 13:37

People on low incomes do save, but they save for problems like emergency medical care, or car repair, or money to get them through when they RogerMore Apr 17, 16:57

Only 21% have no retirement savings. Your sources must be the propaganda rags. PhoneHome Apr 17, 20:39

It gets passed on, but not necessarily to consumers. No one actually knows for sure where the burden of corporate tax falls in practice. RogerMore Apr 17, 09:07

Not on CEO salaries. corporate taxes are yet another scam to convince people someone else is paying. {nm} forlorne Apr 17, 12:10

Nah, there are a bunch of good reasons for corporate taxes, you're just choosing to ignore them. {nm} RogerMore Apr 17, 17:07

Examples? {nm} forlorne Apr 18, 07:02

"If there weren't, every individual who could would corporatise themselves for tax minimization purposes." RogerMore Apr 18, 09:35





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