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I can imagine that there's some "cognitive dissonance" in effect, here(?)

Posted by: Facto on Apr 25, 11:09 in response to Dorfman's post Why is that so way off? BO was saying 70mil and that...

People don't want such a high prediction to be realistic, as the commish cost of investing is fairly high(?) This is for those that are familiar with the concept of cognitive dissonance. However, let's break it down, so we have something a little more concrete here.. This should require about a 30M opening day (OD), right? Including midnight screenings (middies). Do we have an inkling on how many theaters and screens it will get, so that we can calculate roughly what PTA (per theater average) we're looking at here.. ? To break down whether this could be realistic or not. (And what's more, the MTC/RS rule suggests that the OW (opening weekend) could go even higher than the MTC figure. Is that wildly unrealistic? Let's see if any of the stalwart, reliable number crushers have anything to say about it!

MTC: FFUR5 78 (whoa!), PROM 10, Hoodwinked 8, Dylan Dog 3 {nm}   secretstalker on Apr 25, 10:42

what do you mean 'whoa'? You think it's a HIGH estimate ??? {nm}   SequelsFund on Apr 25, 10:44

he definitely is surprised :) .... however i think Fast Five has commedable amount of buzz for a ripping opening... {nm}   b4bad on Apr 25, 11:29

If this number is realistic, then several of the attached star bonds don't really reflect it yet (whereas a few more or less do). {nm}   Facto on Apr 25, 11:41

That depends. If this number is realistic, nothing says the movie has any legs. {nm}   ty97 on Apr 25, 11:44

Very true {nm}   Facto on Apr 25, 11:50

According to the formula that means Fast 5 should open well above 78 mil right? {nm}   BionicMoron on Apr 25, 10:46

That's the "rule" and 78 is well above 60. {nm}   secretstalker on Apr 25, 10:54

let me rephrase the question; Do YOU think it's a high estimate. ( I think it is. Ridicolously high ! ) {nm}   SequelsFund on Apr 25, 11:16

Why? Can you break it down in numbers, and support your notion with comparisons, referance to weekend potential in general, etc? {nm}   Facto on Apr 25, 11:24

(just curious - cause if one feels as strongly about a figure, there must be some rational reason somewhere - and then it should be possible   Facto on Apr 25, 11:26

I posted some numbers below your previous post asking about theaters counts facto {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:28

Thanks - I see it now {nm}   Facto on Apr 25, 11:38

I think I can explain my reasoning on this vindiesel/carhitmovie. But let´s do these things in a certain order ) Secret may answer first {nm}   SequelsFund on Apr 25, 11:35

Why does SS need to offer his opinion before you give a reasoning on why you think it's 'ridiculously high'. {nm}   Antibody on Apr 25, 11:44

because - woooow... this FF5 thread could be the biggest ever in recent hsx-history - but still; because....   SequelsFund on Apr 25, 12:08

SS is not obligated to offer an 'opinion'. But you volunteered your opinion and we're curious to your reasoning. {nm}   Antibody on Apr 25, 12:15

???   SequelsFund on Apr 25, 12:23

The discussion is movies and you say you said you can explain your reasoning re FFUR5. {nm}   Antibody on Apr 25, 12:34

offcourse I can. But at what point do I have to ? I prefer to wait for SS-answer, as I stated before. I feel you are pressuring me to...   SequelsFund on Apr 25, 12:53

So 74 million is doable, but 78 million is high. Gotcha. :) {nm}   Antibody on Apr 25, 13:04

No you don't. 74 is way too high. But that's my humble opininon. What's yours ? :-) {nm}   SequelsFund on Apr 25, 13:20

no way in hell it does that. just my opinion, though {nm}   ndmaster on Apr 25, 10:52

I saw the trailer in a movie theatre on Saturday - it does look quite good. If people are hungry for a blockbuster popcorn flick right about   Facto on Apr 25, 11:00

I think the trailers look awesome {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:13

I was hoping for plus 75 for FFUR5. I love my, I love my, I love my MTC {nm}   MTC your my hero on Apr 25, 10:52

78? Thanks MTC, I needed a good laugh! {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 10:55

it has been out opening the last one in every territory so unless the bo malaise is unique to US... {nm}   notfabio on Apr 25, 11:03

We'll see. I'll believe it when I see it. I'll happily eat my crow if I'm wrong, but..   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:08

WoW really?? Is that because of the movie or how the market has been? {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:14

BO has been down and it's not summer. I don't think TROCK is that much of a draw. Having original cast helps, though. {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:18

BO has been down because the movie selection year-to-date has sucked. That changes this weekend. {nm}   BionicMoron on Apr 25, 11:20

I can't see anything breaking out until maybe PIRT4. I know FFUR4 did 70m in April of 2009, but it was the only new movie and there wasn't   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:30

But you are basing all this on pure instinct/gut.. ? Can you break it down in numbers, please?   Facto on Apr 25, 11:31

What numbers do you want? Just because a seuqel comes out and MTC goes ga-ga over it, doesn't make it true. Just look at IRNM2. {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:37

What was MTC on IRNM2? IRNM2 opened at $128M, higher than IRMN at $102M. {nm}   Antibody on Apr 25, 11:41

I have MTC at 150 for IRNM2 {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:42

By that measure, MTC is conservative with this sequel... {nm}   Catzan on Apr 25, 11:46

I found it now, too - posted by notfabio on May 3, 2010   Facto on Apr 25, 11:50

Searching and haven't found it yet - found the MTC for the weekend after.. {nm}   Facto on Apr 25, 11:47

Woah.. What competition is this movie gonna have?? Dylan Dogg? Hoodwinked?? {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:33

There wasn't a kids movie like RIO this time last year. Only down 31% from opening weekend, that will take away some biz from FFUR5 {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:36

I doubt it overlaps much. Urban audiences go for Rio over OW Fast 5? Don't see it. Blockbuster auds already saw Rio, mostly, I'd think.   Facto on Apr 25, 11:40

and we are looking at a PG-13 flick and a G rated movie {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:42

We'll see! Either way I hope it makes me some H$! {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:43

Thats the important thing {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:44

Monsters Vs. Aliens competed against the last FFUR. I think that one is relevant. My opinion on #4 is that they really did a good job in    Catzan on Apr 25, 11:45

Everyone here is making good points!    eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:48

Call it a gut instinct then. That's about all I can say! {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:49

lol...who needs a gut when halt is on Saturdays usually. ;-) {nm}   Catzan on Apr 25, 11:53

And not just Saturdays but saturday evening..... well for reg stock {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:54

EXACTLY! I hope it either bombs or breaks out b/c I will be right there making profits! {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:55

I think last years F&F could have down well more than almost 71 mil if not for Monsters Vs Aliens.    Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:49

this, I think (hope) {nm}   Facto on Apr 25, 12:06

And looking back at this time last year, there were a LOT of shorts... {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:23

May I suggest that you go back two years, and calculate what you would've lost if you went short on Fast 4?    Facto on Apr 25, 11:29

Don't have records that far back. What did it halt at? {nm}   eyescovered on Apr 25, 11:31

Less than 130, it seems - adjusted to 195 {nm}   Facto on Apr 25, 11:36

I think that may be a lil high for dylan dogg IMO. Thats 3000 per theatre. {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 10:59

LMFAO @ 78. Way off. {nm}   stevenj1127 on Apr 25, 11:00

Fast and Furious 2 years ago took (almost) everyone here on HSX by surprise. Do you remember? {nm}   Facto on Apr 25, 11:01

Why is that so way off? BO was saying 70mil and that was before the weekend showing what a breakout Fast 5 is having overseas. {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:01

I can imagine that there's some "cognitive dissonance" in effect, here(?)   Facto on Apr 25, 11:09

Last week Antibody posted that Fast5 could get 3500+   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:20

My 2011 Easter though for you... maybe don't put all your eggs in one basket {nm}   JMT-NL on Apr 25, 11:27

lol oh i don't {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:28

I put all my Easter eggs in the same burlap sack. They were fine. {nm}   BionicMoron on Apr 25, 11:54

While it's high, I too am confused why everyone is laughing. 70 for the last one + the addition of The Rock + like last time, no competition   dsbman on Apr 25, 11:08

Also, IMAX, which will inflate prices even more. {nm}   dsbman on Apr 25, 11:09

The Rocks popularity has been on the rise with his return to doing promos at WWE. I'm sure he's gonna bring in quite a few fans too. {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:09

Yeah, I don't get it. It may or may not be a bit high, but in no way is it laughably so. {nm}   BionicMoron on Apr 25, 11:21

Much to Thor's chagrin, this is also the first 'Summer Movie' ("April" be damned)   ty97 on Apr 25, 11:21

Looking at last years F&F movie numbers and theater counts its definitely doable {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:23

Even if you take 2 FAST 2 FURIOUS' number and account for inflation + an IMAX bump, you're looking at around $68m minimum. In no way is 78   dsbman on Apr 25, 11:32

Wrong movie. Look at Fast & Furious from 2009 not 2 fast 2 furious {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:36

Fast and Furious 2009...   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:41

Read your post wrong dsbman. Thought u were saying 78 was laughable. my bad {nm}   Dorfman on Apr 25, 11:55

Tagging [FFUR5], [PROM], [DEADN], [HDWN2]. {nm}   accountant_4_Jesus on Apr 27, 00:26





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